Mr. Thompson Goes to Washington

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If you look very closely at the photo above, you may notice that it has been slightly altered. This subtle change to a classic movie still shot, and the clever play on words of this post’s title, both provide clues as to where I’ll be this week.

That’s right kids, I’m headed off to Washington, D.C. to attend the National Association of Realtor’s (NAR) Midyear Legislative Meetings & Trade Expo.

Why in the world would I do that?

Well, I’m not real sure what happened here. A post last week on Agent Genius set off quite the shitstorm brouhaha controversy when it reported that the Indianapolis Metropolitan Board of Realtors (MIBOR), with input from the NAR, ruled that Google was a “scraper” site and so sent a Realtor a Cease & Desist notice to change her web sites home search.

Now this is so utterly ridiculous that yours truly had to chime in on the discussion (which currently stands at 349 comments on the Agent Genius post and more on the dozen or so other posts that have sprung up across the real estate blogiverse).

Apparently my “passion” on the subject (some would say my big mouth) got the attention of some in the NAR and they were gracious enough (and I say that without sarcasm) to invite me to come give my concerns directly to the Multiple Listing Service (MLS) Committee at their meeting in Washington.

So off I go. I’ll be back on Friday. It should be interesting.

Anyone remotely interested in why it’s not good when local and national trade organizations stomp all over a dues paying member should go read the AG post. And if you are a Realtor and are concerned about this (and you should be) then please take action as noted in the post and comments.

Below is the update from what occurred in the MLS meeting:

The meeting went very well. 75 or so MLS committee members were there and I don’t know how many in the audience — three hundred? It was crowded. Paula Henry, who’s original post on Agent Genius brought this to a LOT of people’s attention spoke first and did great, I followed with my thoughts. We spoke in the open forum portion of the meeting.

During the forum, Cliff Niersbach, NAR’s Vice President of Board Policy & Programs, put up some proposed changes to the language of the IDX policy that addressed the search engine indexing issue. A couple more people spoke, and the open forum portion of the meeting ended shortly after that.

At that point, the Committee entered into the portion of the meeting where they discuss and vote on motions.

The proposed changes to the search indexing language were formally proposed and voted on.

And the changes passed!

So the policy that said this:

2. Participants must protect IDX information from misappropriation by employing reasonable efforts to monitor and prevent “scraping” or other unauthorized accessing, reproduction or use of the MLS database. (with clarification from NAR that read: “Consequently, NAR staff responded to questioners that the requirement to prevent scraping includes indexing.)

Was changed to this:

Participants must protect IDX information from unauthorized uses. This requirement does not prohibit indexing of IDX sites by search engines.

This change still has to be voted on by the NAR Board of Directors on Saturday, but people I talked to expect it will pass.

Personally, I’d like to thank Todd Carpenter, and everyone at NAR that made it possible for Paula and I to fly to Washington and address the Committee, and a very special thanks to Cliff Niersbach. Trust me, without his support in the forum and MLS Committee meeting, this change would not have happened.

Here is Paula Henry’s take on today’s activities.

I’ll have more later. My head hurts, my feet hurt, and I need an adult beverage or three.

Update #2 – Well, the proposed change was NOT passed by the NAR Board of Directors. Apparently the Metropolitan Indianapolis Board of REALTORS® (MIBOR), the archaic board in Indianapolis that started this whole mess, proposed an amendment to refer the changes back to the MLS Committee for further discussion, and that’s what the NAR BOD voted to do. My understanding (and I could be wrong on this) is that it won’t be discussed until the NAR convention in November. Very disappointing that a 100+ member committee can pass something and one disgruntled and clueless local board can shove it back down again. I won’t stop fighting!

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Sigh. I agree it is frustrating that a unanimous vote could be blocked by one clueless local board. Perhaps by November, when it comes back up for discussion, the local board member that voted it down will have all the info processed...

**Jim Dolanch-Pittsburgh Real Estate Expert´s last blog post..Pittsburgh is One of the “Best Cities for a Fresh Start”</abbr></abbr>

Just read your update and can't believe it didn't pass-dang! Thanks for fighting the good fight though. If enough of us keep speaking out against it surely they will have to listen....

Started following this on Active Rain. Thank you for taking the time on everybodies behalf. I served on the MLS Board of Oklahoma City for 3 years, and when I got on we had a CEO and former Board members that would fit in at Indy. They are now gone greatfully. I have emailed this to the current CEO who does get it, and other MLS Board members.

**JoePryor.com Oklahoma Investment Realtor´s last blog post..Great Short Sale Investment in Oklahoma City</abbr></abbr>

I'm sad to hear it wasn't passed. Thanks for going there and presenting the case for us all, though! Do you think it will pass in Nov? Or can MIBOR delay it again?

**MaryAnn Knell-Peoria Real Estate´s last blog post..Help for Peoria’s Homeowners</abbr></abbr>

The Indianapolis Metropolitan Board of Realtors (MIBOR), spokes person or board member, who did this should be ashamed of himself. Once NAR finally figures this all out, and I am not totally convinced they will, this MIBOR member should be asked to step down due to extreme ignorance in this matter.

These dinosaurs, that make the decisions, don't understand the new tech age enough to wrap their minds around it what they are doing. So instead of understanding and actually making some progress they react based on fear. *sigh*

**Toby Barnett´s last blog post..Commercial & Residential Property for Sale off Getchell</abbr></abbr>

Jay, it's a good thing you're doing. Keep it up.

Jay,

Do you know what the proposed change MIBOR put forth is?

Navy Chief, Navy Pride

**Joe´s last blog post..Can the $8,000 Tax Credit save VA Buyers ?</abbr></abbr>

Joe -

MIBOR didn't propose a change. They proposed that the change the committee voted for (to add in that indexing is OK) be sent back to the committee for more discussion.

In other words, MIBOR effectively delayed the change the committee approved (unanimously I might add) for at least six months. (The committee doesn't meet again until November).

Jay;

Thanks for keeping the heat on this. I am helping Paula do the same. This is nuts. MIBOR waits until Saturday and pulls a stupid shenanigan to delay things (from my understanding) until November.

Who represents who anymore?

Missed you in Phoenix last time. Won't miss you next time.

best

Eric

**Eric Blackwell´s last blog post..Online Reputation Managment: The link aging conundrum affects it.</abbr></abbr>

Well, see Update #2 in the post. The NAR Board of Directors did NOT pass the new language. MIBOR proposed an amendment to refer it back to the MLS Committee for further discussion.... <<<sigh>>>

I was wondering, Jay, if you'd gone to California, would you have superimposed your head on Aaaanoowld's body? Not that you'd need to of course.....

**Joe´s last blog post..Can the $8,000 Tax Credit save VA Buyers ?</abbr></abbr>

Jay,

Awesome job! Glad to see that you and Paula made a difference and were able to get policy changed!

**Tony Sena´s last blog post..Is Las Vegas Real Estate Undervalued?</abbr></abbr>

Keep up the good fight! I'm glad to hear everything went well. I know the entire online community was worried before you got there.

Jay - you were incredible! This is a fun post and I'm thinking you may have found a new home in DC - the picture is fitting. Thanks Much!

**Paula Henry´s last blog post..Indianapolis Neighborhoods Receive Funds for Revitilazation</abbr></abbr>

I can't wait to hear how the trip to DC and your NAR meeting went! Thanks for being a voice for us!

**Margaret Safford-Metro Atlanta Real Estate´s last blog post..Does the Metro Atlanta Real Estate Market Mimic the New HGTV Shows?</abbr></abbr>

Nice work.

Next up, we are going to need you to please go visit the HUD offices and speak with them about their rollout of the 8000 tax credit being able to be used for a bridge loan/down payment/whatever.

Don't forget - you are our only hope to figure this out.

Justin

**Justin McHood´s last blog post..8000 Tax Credit Bridge Loan: Bridge To Where?</abbr></abbr>

Good for you, Jay! The NAR needs to realize they can't just ignore the rights we have-thanks for fighting it out for us!

Thanks Jay,

What is amazing is that they had to have a meeting to figure this out. The NAR leadership couldn't figure something this simple out on their own?

>why it’s not good when local and national trade organizations stomp all over a dues paying member

Exactly, they exist for us. But the attitude of the NAR is we exist for them.

**Ned´s last blog post..Help! My Home is going to tax sale.</abbr></abbr>

Jay, just saw your update from today's meeting and it sounds like it went well, thanks for your efforts and for the update.

**Tina´s last blog post..3268 Millwood Trail Smyrna, Georgia 30080</abbr></abbr>

Jay,

God Bless you and Paula for fighting the good fight. I'll be singing your praises throughout the halls of eastern Georgia for months to come. Although it may take our board about six years ....uh, I mean months, to understand the significance of you and Paula's actions.

Navy Chief, Navy Pride

Hey Jay, what a great opportunity to be able to speak and voice concerns on a very critical topic to us Realtors. I do agree with you and the AG post and with retrospect to my MLS there is a difference but I could the MLS here try to do similar items. Currently we are prohibited from using certain verbiage but that could all change to include much more. Now that there has been a precedent started it will help protect some of our rights. I read your post this morning and then came back to the office to my surprise to an update. Thanks!

**Toby Barnett´s last blog post..Snohomish County Sale Tax increases to 9.5% in 2009</abbr></abbr>

Thanks for the meeting update. It sounds like the meeting went well. Maybe we will see some positive results soon.

**Brad´s last blog post..Bakersfield Homes for Sale</abbr></abbr>

If you've subscribed to the comments of this post, be sure to revisit the post for the details of what happened at the meeting!!

Go team!

**Spokane Real Estate´s last blog post..What to do in Spokane this weekend.</abbr></abbr>

I will be in Washington from September 29th to October 4th for the Exit Realty Convention and we will be staing at the new Gaylord Resort! I can't wait!

Jay - if there ever was a perfect representative from among the NAR membership rolls, it is you. MIBOR needs a wake-up and NAR a reversal of their decision, I think this will be it, thanks to you....

Navy Chief, Navy Pride

**Joe´s last blog post..April Showers, May Flowers?</abbr></abbr>

Good for you, Jay!! I am excited to hear about the Washington trip and what the Committe had to say. That is really great they invited you to come speak; I just hope they listen...

**Meg Zoller-Houston Realtor´s last blog post..Houston Real Estate Reaps Benefits of Statewide Population Growth</abbr></abbr>

Jay, Best of luck to you. Go represent, We thank you.

**RentalRenegade´s last blog post..Vacancies or Concessions: Impact on Bottom Line</abbr></abbr>

Make us all proud! I am very anxious to here about your trip and what comes out of the meetings.

They are paying you to do this, right? :o)

**Colleen´s last blog post..Country Ridge Homes | Richland Washington</abbr></abbr>

Thanks for taking up the cause. It's still incredible to me the blatant double standard with Realtor.com. Thanks again.

**Benjamin Ficker´s last blog post..Portland Real Estate Statistics: Week of April 5th 2009</abbr></abbr>

I'm glad there are guys like you that can go make the stand for us. It still is incredible to me the blatant double standard with Realtor.com. Anyway, thanks for going.

**Benjamin Ficker´s last blog post..Portland Real Estate Statistics: Week of April 5th 2009</abbr></abbr>

Enjoy your vaca with your family. It will be good to bring this to their attention, I understand that people do not want their data scraped, but that is often the best way to get the data of the listings into the hands of the potential clients. Google may seem like a pain sometimes, but for the most part they are a really really good driving force on the internet that helps me gather clients because of the information on my site.

**Portland Real Estate´s last blog post..El Gaucho Steakhouse</abbr></abbr>

Jimmy Stewart needs a shave. ;-)

I used to live in the D.C area - wunnerful city. In case you find yourself bored (!) make sure you check out the Library of Congress - one of my personal faves.

Knock 'em dead, Mr. Guy.

You have mad PS skillz, dawg.

**Ben Martin, CAE Va Assn of Realtors´s last blog post..Details of FHA’s $8000 first time homebuyers tax credit bridge loan</abbr></abbr>

It is exciting that you will get to vote on the Google issue the next time around! Great job and congrats on getting a spot on the NAR.

Sigh. I agree it is frustrating that a unanimous vote could be blocked by one clueless local board. Perhaps by November, when it comes back up for discussion, the local board member that voted it down will have all the info processed...

**Jim Dolanch-Pittsburgh Real Estate Expertu00c2u00b4s last blog post..Pittsburgh is One of the u00e2u0080u009cBest Cities for a Fresh Startu00e2u0080u009d</abbr></abbr>

Just read your update and can't believe it didn't pass-dang! Thanks for fighting the good fight though. If enough of us keep speaking out against it surely they will have to listen....

Started following this on Active Rain. Thank you for taking the time on everybodies behalf. I served on the MLS Board of Oklahoma City for 3 years, and when I got on we had a CEO and former Board members that would fit in at Indy. They are now gone greatfully. I have emailed this to the current CEO who does get it, and other MLS Board members.

**JoePryor.com Oklahoma Investment Realtoru00c2u00b4s last blog post..Great Short Sale Investment in Oklahoma City</abbr></abbr>

I'm sad to hear it wasn't passed. Thanks for going there and presenting the case for us all, though! Do you think it will pass in Nov? Or can MIBOR delay it again?

**MaryAnn Knell-Peoria Real Estateu00c2u00b4s last blog post..Help for Peoriau00e2u0080u0099s Homeowners</abbr></abbr>

The Indianapolis Metropolitan Board of Realtors (MIBOR), spokes person or board member, who did this should be ashamed of himself. Once NAR finally figures this all out, and I am not totally convinced they will, this MIBOR member should be asked to step down due to extreme ignorance in this matter.

These dinosaurs, that make the decisions, don't understand the new tech age enough to wrap their minds around it what they are doing. So instead of understanding and actually making some progress they react based on fear. *sigh*

**Toby Barnettu00c2u00b4s last blog post..Commercial & Residential Property for Sale off Getchell</abbr></abbr>

Jay, it's a good thing you're doing. Keep it up.

Thanks for the update.

Jay,

Do you know what the proposed change MIBOR put forth is?

Navy Chief, Navy Pride

**Joeu00c2u00b4s last blog post..Can the $8,000 Tax Credit save VA Buyers ?</abbr></abbr>

Joe -

MIBOR didn't propose a change. They proposed that the change the committee voted for (to add in that indexing is OK) be sent back to the committee for more discussion.

In other words, MIBOR effectively delayed the change the committee approved (unanimously I might add) for at least six months. (The committee doesn't meet again until November).

Jay;

Thanks for keeping the heat on this. I am helping Paula do the same. This is nuts. MIBOR waits until Saturday and pulls a stupid shenanigan to delay things (from my understanding) until November.

Who represents who anymore?

Missed you in Phoenix last time. Won't miss you next time.

best

Eric

**Eric Blackwellu00c2u00b4s last blog post..Online Reputation Managment: The link aging conundrum affects it.</abbr></abbr>

Well, see Update #2 in the post. The NAR Board of Directors did NOT pass the new language. MIBOR proposed an amendment to refer it back to the MLS Committee for further discussion.... <<<sigh>>>

whos Mr. Thompson?:D

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