On Suing Clients

by Jay Thompson on May 12, 2009 · Comments

in Real Estate

Fair warning, a bit of a rant ahead. But this is also a call for help. I need someone to explain to me why this attitude is so prevalent, because I just don’t get it.

A couple of days ago on Trulia Voices (a “forum” for agents, home buyers and sellers and the general public to pose and answer questions) Home Buyer “Morgan” posed this question:

Broker insisting on getting his 3% even when she, in my opinion, breached our buyer broker contract.

My husband and I started the process of buying a house with a buyer broker. After the first round of contracts were signed we realized she missed that this was a short sale transaction. She lied about typing out the contract….she was handwriting it on her steering wheel when we arrived to sign the papers. It took her over 1 week to pick up a signed counter offer. Asked us to talk with the listing agent to find out what was taking so long. Doesn’t call me back when promised and when we wanted to back out of the deal she told us she would sue us for the 3% if we ever bought the house with another agent. She let us out of the buyer broker contract but is still insisting we cant buy the house thru anyone but her……else she is owed 3%. Is there any way I can buy this house without paying her?

That is my emphasis in bold. When asked if she had consulted with the agent’s broker (in effect, the agent’s boss) Morgan followed up with this:

I talked to her broker and I have never been so angry after a phone conversation in my life. He said he would never let me buy the house without paying his agency and he would sue me for the 3% if I did. I feel like I have no recourse other than legal action, which is probably going to cost me as much as paying the broker the 3%. I am so frustrated. I will probably walk away from this house if it turns out I have to pay him.

My emphasis in bold again.

At this point I want to either: 1) Poke a sharp stick in my eye; or 2) poke a sharper stick in the eye of this agent and her broker.

Granted, we don’t have all the details, and only have Morgan’s side of the story. But her frustration is obvious. If only a fraction of what Morgan reports about her agents ineptitude is true, then clearly the agent has not done their duty.

Threatening to sue clients seems like an odd business practice.  It’s hard to imagine Morgan telling her friends and family, “You should use my sue-happy agent, she’s awesome!”.

Some agents may be reading this and say, “Yeah, but ‘procuring cause’ entitles the agent and broker to a commission! They earned it!”

(For those not aware, “procuring cause” is defined by the National Association of Realtors (members only link, sorry) as: “the interplay of factors which together demonstrate that the unbroken efforts of a specific broker were responsible for the buyer making the decision to consummate the sale on terms which the seller found acceptable. In other words, a broker who is the procuring cause of a sale is a sine qua non of the sale — the sale would not have occurred but for the broker’s efforts.”)

Procuring cause is complicated. It’s a bunch of legal mumbo-jumbo that is evaluated on a case-by-case basis by arbitration panels across the country every day.

I am not an expert in procuring cause, I am not a trained arbitrator, and I’ve never taken a commission dispute to arbitration. But there appears to be a factor to consider in this case – estrangement.

The NAR’s Arbitration Guidelines defines estrangement as:

…the issue then becomes whether the broker engaged in conduct which caused the purchaser to terminate the relationship (estrangement). This can be caused, among other things, by words or actions or lack of words or actions when called for.

From the NARs “7 Key Questions to Determine Procuring Cause” comes this:

“Did the broker/salesperson engage in conduct that prompted the buyer to look elsewhere for assistance?”

Maybe it’s just me, but not knowing a transaction is a short sale (simply mind-boggling), not responding to calls, lying, not dealing with counters in a timely fashion, telling your client to call the other agent in the transaction – I can see how that might prompt a buyer to look elsewhere for assistance.

Here’s an idea… treat your clients right, do your job, and my guess is you won’t have to threaten to sue them to get paid.

Oh sure, any agent that has been around any length of time has been “screwed” by a client. Typically this isn’t intentional on the clients part. Maybe, despite being instructed not to, they walk into a new home development to check out the shiny new homes. And you aren’t there to register them. Now the builder’s sales agent swoops in and gets the commission. Or your client happens to drive by a For Sale sign, and they call the listing agent. That agent comes over and shows the home. With visions of dollar signs from double-siding the transaction dancing in their head, they don’t bother to ask your client if they are working with someone. With visions of little Sally playing with Rover in the immaculate backyard, your client fails to mention they are working with you.

BAM! All that time, energy, gasoline and effort you’ve spent with that client is all for naught. They are now the listing agents client and you get nothing.

Sucks, doesn’t it?

Yeah, yeah, I know someone is thinking, “Get your clients to sign a Buyer Broker agreement (BBA)[1] and protect yourself!” I don’t like buyer broker agreements. Never used one, probably never will. I like to trust that I can educate my clients about agency and representation. I tell them how I’ll “get screwed” if they do certain things and I say, “Please don’t screw me. I have children to feed". I don’t like the idea of forcing a client to sign a contract to work with me. Heck, we put a “fire me” clause in all our listing agreements, and I’d put one in a BBA if I used them, so what’s the point? I’m not ever going to force someone to work with me.

Instead, I think I’ll just provide kick-ass service and leave the idea of suing a client for commission right where it belongs. When (not if, when) I get “screwed” by a client, I chalk it up to part of doing business. So far it’s happened once (a new home build). It will probably happen again.

But it won’t happen because I’ve neglected my client’s needs.

And I won’t be threatening to sue my client.

 

(Of note: I know some very good agents that always use BBAs. That’s fine, and there is nothing wrong with it. I simply choose to do business differently. This doesn’t make me “better” or them “worse”. We’re just different. My beef isn’t with agents using BBAs. It’s with agents and brokers that fire off threats of suing their clients. I’ve seen and heard about “Just sue them” a remarkable number of times. THAT I don’t get. At all.)

Footnotes:
  1. Briefly, a buyer broker agreement is a contract signed between a prospective home buyer and their agent that helps ensure the agent gets paid. You can see the “BBA” typically used in Arizona here []

 

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  • Jay thanks for sharing, its stories like this that actually made me become a real estate agent. Not sure I agree with you 100% about BBA, but I see your point. I would say on average

    If I have 8 different clients I show houses to in a week I would say on average about 4-5 had seen houses with another real estate agent in the past month and are now in the car with me because they were not happy with the job their agent was doing. It really is sad, but I'll take it.

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  • Dean - I get a lot of feedback from agents about not using a BBA. Some think I'm absolutely insane for not using one. It really boils down to a personal choice. I've "been screwed" once in 5 years (that I'm aware of) and it was nowhere near intentional on the client's part. Call me old-fashioned (or call me Granddad) but I like to think some business can still be based on mutual trust.

    It is sad how many people are unhappy with their agent. There are some very good agents out there. Unfortunately, there are some lousy ones too (which is true in any profession).
  • It always blows my mind to hear about an agent willing to sue a buyer over a 3% commission. First of all, how much can that really be - even on a million dollar home it's going to be less than $30k BEFORE TAX. Are you really going to risk the negative publicity over this? Secondly, take a good long look in the mirror - did you really get screwed, or did you let your client down?

    A couple of years ago I lost a few clients in a row & vowed to use buyer-broker agreements. (Is Rudeness a Trend?) Turns out I never did; our "getting screwed" percentages fell back into line on their own. ;-)

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  • Great post. I use my BBA as a tool to explain that I'm going to be putting a lot of time and effort into a transaction, but if at anytime a client feels I'm not doing my job or living up to the expectations I set in our Buyer's meeting, they should fire me (that's in writing in my BBA).

    It's bad business to take a client to court, in my opinion, no matter how write you may be. Perception is everything in this business, if a client feels that way then perhaps an expectations adjustment (or maybe an agent just needs to set some expectations to begin with) will greatly help.

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  • Jay - another great post and another sickening display of a complete lack of professionalism (although, as you said it is only one side of the story). But still...enough is enough - if you're not going to at least attempt to serve clients well, get out of the business! As for procuring cause, I'm not a lawyer but I don't actually think this has much to do with procuring cause per se. Determining procuring cause would more likely for an agent to agent commission dispute (ie. 2 agents showed the same house and both want the commission), where this is an agent potentially not living up to her side of a contractual representation agreement with a client - a violation of contract. Having a well written BBA should explain the rights and duties, services to be provided, agency relationship, and method of compensation, plus what rights their are when either party doesn't meet their contractual obligations. Hopefully this buyer's contract has some sort of "out clause" like that. Although I doubt it.

    Chris - Part of the problem is that most agents only do a handful of deals each year, so yes, many are willing to take the bad publicity and bad word of mouth, for say 20-30% of their annual income. Sad but true.

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  • Two thoughts:
    What if your mentality was "protection from the other agent" (possibly double ending it), not "forcing the buyer to work with you"?
    Another idea is to make up a cheap set of moo cards that essentially say "My agent is Jay Thompson." Then if your buyers walk through an open house, they can just hand over a card and not worry about the agent marketing to them.

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  • Jay... you pretty much nailed that parts on procuring cause.

    As an agent, I believe there is a risk when dealing with clients. It is my risk. My risk of losing my clients due to poor service or representation. I use it as motivation.

    It is a risk, and not an entitlement.

    Up front and always, I let my clients know they can 'walk' on me if I am not providing the service I promised (in good faith of course).

    Earning those fees is just that... earning them.

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  • I've been on a couple of arbitration panels in the past and been in front of one (I won that one) and this situation is what the word "estrangement" was created for.

    Too bad we can't advise the buyer to proceed with purchasing the house they want and tell this story to an arbitration panel.
  • Jay,

    Except in situations where an agent is going to expend significant monies, time and effort (emphasis on significant) I don't believe in using the Buyer Broker agreement. I've never used one and the only time I have brought it up in a conversation was with clients who were going to have me drive all over the state to look at properties. In fact in both cases that I had chatted with those clients I also asked for a retainer up front. Long story short, both clients passed on using me as their agent, which was fine with me because I really didn't want to drive all over the state even though the deals could have been sizable.

    I let my clients know up front that I don't use a Buyer Broker agreement, for the simple reason, that if I'm not doing my job I think it is only fair that they be able to make a change with minimum difficulty. Guess what after letting them know that, I've had probably only about a 3% defection rate. In virtually every case that a client defected we weren't getting along well and I was trying to figure out how to fire them as a client.

    If you are good at your job then retaining clients is easy. If you are bad at your job quit real estate because a BBA is going to hurt everyone including you as an agent.

    All the Best,

    Glenn Sanford

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  • I don't use BBAs much either. But most of my business is repeat or referral business. And I am so all over my clients they want a cigarette afterwards . . . haha
    I can't wrap my mind around an agent who would be so neglectful, nor a broker so clueless--though I know they exist.

    If Morgan's statements are even 50% factual, both agent and broker should be sent to the recycle bin . . . ;)
  • Unfortunately BBA's aren't worth the paper they're written on! They do have an exit clause and if a client is truly unhappy with your services then a contract with a termination clause is not going to keep them tied to you. I usually get mine signed at time of contract b/c they are required for my office paperwork. I truly believe that if you are doing your job right, you don't need the BBA to keep that buyer as your client (*note* I am also predominently a Buyer's Agent). Yes, I've been burned in the past a few times, but as Jay said I just chalked it up to life in the biz. I feel sorry for Buyer Morgan and her situation...it's agents and brokers like them that give Realtors a bad name...or on the flip side make all of us look THAT much better.
  • Completely agree. I am surprised that the Broker stood behind the agent. This isn't the kind of thing that they want attached to their company.

    In my 7+ years I have had one listing client drop me because they found an agent at a coffee house with good energy. The house sold for $100,000 less for what the good energy was worth.

    I have almost gotten screwed on a commission when my buyer walked into a new construction development. The BBA would have protected me but I should have made it clearer to them. It was my second year in the business.

    If I have people constantly trying to get away from me, and I still decided to stay in the business like that, then I would use a BBA.

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  • "If I have people constantly trying to get away from me, and I still decided to stay in the business like that, then I would use a BBA."

    I'd think about getting out. Says a lot about an agent if clients are constantly trying to get away from them, doesn't it?
  • Jay,
    thanks for this post. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who opposes BBAs. I was "screwed" once, but that was my fault. To me the mindset of shoving the BBA under a new client's nose who you've just met, doesn't know you, and may not have much basis from which to enter into a contract with you is crazy. I know it would bug me if I was on the client side of the the table, so I don't do it. When I was with larger agencies, they required it, but I always waited until the offer to purchase was being prepared...

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  • Excellent post Jay,

    I don't have a set policy on BBA (perhaps I should), but I always have them signed at some point in the pre-contract phase. Sometimes it's when we sit down to write the contract (the law in GA requires it to represent clients vs customers), sometimes it's when we get in the car, sometimes it's the second day we get in the car. Intuition got me this far, and I've never encountered arbitration. I - like you - do not particularly care for them - I prefer the "kill less trees" approach - but it's the law in my state. If they like you they like you - plain and simple. Win-Win or No Deal.

    Ghastly story if even half true.

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  • Changed my mind - it's better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. ;-)
  • Just so you know Greg, your original comment went out to comment subscribers before you changed your mind.

    For what it's worth, I thought it was pretty much spot on.
  • I'm also amazed when I hear agents saying they are suing their client. You are right, we will all get "screwed" at some point from one reason or another, but so long as we are being the "Broadmoore" of real estate customer service, even that one client where something happen and we got "screwed" might reccomend us to their friends, and those friends..and you might get new clients out of it. One way to not get new client refferals? Sue...

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  • It really depends what the buyer agency agreement contract says. Technically the whole reason for a buyer's agency agreement is not for the broker to get paid (though that's in just about all of them) but to clearly outline your duties to your client so you can represent them fully. (Which obviously that agent must not have done)

    Obviously, I am not a lawyer and do not give legal advice, but I am willing to bet that the contract is for the BROKER to get paid, not the individual agent...so what the customer can do is talk to the broker office manager, get reassigned to another agent within that firm who actually does their job and buy the house and be done with it. If the new agent wants to give the old agent a referral commission they could, but it wouldn't affect the buyer in anyway. That'd be my solution instead of suing people at least :)

    All in all, a good lesson of what to avoid :)

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  • I would think procuring cause wouldn't matter if the agent had breached the contract by not doing his or her duties.

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  • "Poke a sharper stick into the eye of this agent and her broker" HAHA, very well said. I almost choked on my coffee laughing so hard! That agent and broker will be the same ones later wondering why they aren't getting many refferal clients....lol
  • Gosh, how very sad for that client! I hope they were able to get the home they wanted; it sounds like they should be able to break contract

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  • And people wonder why real estate agents have a bad rep. If only there was a way to filter out bad agents.

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  • This is an interesting real estate situation. It sounds like, if what the buyer says is true, the real estate company will probably not be around long with the attitude they have. The way the story is told the real estate agent sure doesn't seem to be holding up her side of the contract. I agree with Faron. It's too bad there are realtors out there giving us all bad names.

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  • Well I always get a buyer's agency agreement signed, about 5 minutes before I write an offer. Not before. I fill in zero's for commission owed if they buy something without me, and when the form changed from where it allowed the parties to cancel with written notice, I started using the non exclusive buyer's agency agreement.

    What is all this talk about getting screwed? You drove them around and showed them a few houses, then they use someone else. Big freakin deal. Don't be so petty. If you spend time with people and somehow its not working for them and they don't want you to represent them in the biggest investment of their lives that is their right. Maybe a little introspection is in order.

    The crazy thing about the real estate industry is that we think we are above the age old concept of second opinions. It's against the rules to speak to a Seller listed with another agent. If an agent shows you an "open house" you have to let him represent you in your negotiations. Bulls#!+ !

    You go to an stock broker for some advice and you decide to buy your stock online or with a different broker. He should sue you?

    <abbr></abbr><abbr>Dan Connolly -Atlanta Real Estate Guide´s last blog post..Disclosure: What the seller DOESN'T have to tell you in Georgia</abbr>
  • A-freaking-men Dan!
  • Dan summed everything up perfectly. I can't belive some agents would sue clients for going with someone else-when I don't like the service I receive somewhere, I go elsewhere-why should real estate be any different?

    <abbr></abbr><abbr>MaryAnn Knell-Peoria Real Estate´s last blog post..Help for Peoria’s Homeowners</abbr>
  • I agree, Jay. It seems so stupid to sue a client for going with another agent. It is all about product and service-if we provide great customer service and meet the needs of our client to the best of our ability, 99% of them won't ever look anywhere,and those 1% you lose, probably wouldn't be happy with anyone no matter what, so you might as well let them go. Besides, perhaps they will come back to you after trying out other agents and seeing that, in fact, you were the best!
  • You won't ever get a good referral from someone you sue. What is the stat? I can't remember, but something about how someone with a good experience might tell 5 people, but someone with a bad one will tell everyone they meet? Something like that-at any rate, the point is the same-for all the bad "press" you get from suing, is it worth it? Not in my book. If you give great customer service, no one will want to walk away, and if they do, perhaps it is best to let them go.
  • In 8 years, the number of times I've only used a buyer broker agreement I can count on 1 hand. I was burned for the first time this year. Bitter pill to swallow, but I still don't use them. One time in 8 years, not too bad. I want to work with people that want to work with me - NOT because I'll be suing otherwise.

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  • Mike Rohrig
    Many seem to focus on the fallout from word of mouth. It won't happen.

    I know of someone who left the country for several years, until the statute of limitations had passed, came back, and has a thriving and sleazy business.

    I know a mortgage company that has a bad name with half of the area, but they are still successful because the other half doesn't know and they prey on them.

    New agents come in the market every year and do well with no referral base. These bad agents just burn through people because there will always be more just like there is for the new agent. And it is sad.

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  • The deals should be transparency with the mutual agreement of both parties. As the mutual trust is key for a successful business deal.
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