Comments on: Real Estate Blogger Fired and Sued for $25M http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/real-estate-blogger-fired-and-sued-for-25m/ Phoenix Real Estate -- Anything and everything about it. Plus random musings... Now with Phoenix area MLS Listings Search! Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:34:24 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Vicki Moore http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/real-estate-blogger-fired-and-sued-for-25m/#comment-25453 Vicki Moore Sat, 02 Feb 2008 02:10:58 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/real-estate-blogger-fired-and-sued-for-25m/707#comment-25453 Who's right or wrong is irrelevant at this point. Anyone can sue for any reason. The real crime is how much it's going to cost to straighten it out. Who’s right or wrong is irrelevant at this point. Anyone can sue for any reason. The real crime is how much it’s going to cost to straighten it out.

]]> By: Lucas Lechuga http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/real-estate-blogger-fired-and-sued-for-25m/#comment-25425 Lucas Lechuga Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:44:41 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/real-estate-blogger-fired-and-sued-for-25m/707#comment-25425 Wanted to let everyone know that I just published an update on my blog about the story. I think these are questions that everyone needs to consider when assessing this court case. Also, I have not been served yet. I heard yesterday that EWM was served on Friday. Wanted to let everyone know that I just published an update on my blog about the story. I think these are questions that everyone needs to consider when assessing this court case.

Also, I have not been served yet. I heard yesterday that EWM was served on Friday.

]]> By: Robert D. Ashby http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/real-estate-blogger-fired-and-sued-for-25m/#comment-25424 Robert D. Ashby Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:40:56 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/real-estate-blogger-fired-and-sued-for-25m/707#comment-25424 I think the bigger issue will be how this all plays out and its effects on other bloggers. Many are fearful (of what?). My main concern is about whther my free speech rights and blogging will ultimately get limited due to our legal system being manipulated by those with more money than us. I think the bigger issue will be how this all plays out and its effects on other bloggers. Many are fearful (of what?). My main concern is about whther my free speech rights and blogging will ultimately get limited due to our legal system being manipulated by those with more money than us.

]]> By: Mike Kelly http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/real-estate-blogger-fired-and-sued-for-25m/#comment-25421 Mike Kelly Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:30:56 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/real-estate-blogger-fired-and-sued-for-25m/707#comment-25421 I think the key here is the context in which the blogger referred to the "bankruptcy". To this particular builder and most likely, ANY builder in today's market, the idea of using "Bankruptcy" in the same context of one of the projects viability makes a link which this guy was not buying. We all know there are three sides to the story; your side, my side and the truth! But I would stay away from making statements NOT factually verified. I liked the one guy who said what a great opportunity he now has to get some PR!! Yeah! Costs him a $100,000 to defend himself for utterining a simple, not factually correct statement. I don't know, in my humble opinion, how this is going to get him more business?? I think the key here is the context in which the blogger referred to the “bankruptcy”. To this particular builder and most likely, ANY builder in today’s market, the idea of using “Bankruptcy” in the same context of one of the projects viability makes a link which this guy was not buying. We all know there are three sides to the story; your side, my side and the truth! But I would stay away from making statements NOT factually verified. I liked the one guy who said what a great opportunity he now has to get some PR!! Yeah! Costs him a $100,000 to defend himself for utterining a simple, not factually correct statement. I don’t know, in my humble opinion, how this is going to get him more business??

]]> By: Tim O'Keefe's http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/real-estate-blogger-fired-and-sued-for-25m/#comment-25418 Tim O'Keefe's Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:41:19 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/real-estate-blogger-fired-and-sued-for-25m/707#comment-25418 Man if this guy goes down for this, there is a whole lotta fish thats gonna fry. Just like no one faults or invites (Echem!) Google to visit, grab, or list ones website. Google pulls all kinds of data more often than not without invitation or permission.A blog has been defined as the new journalism when in fact it is more akin to the editorial side of Journalism. And more often than not almost by definition sloppy journalism in that it is impossible to get your facts completely straight when you are pumping out posts sometimes 4x a day. This is a slippery slope when the web lets the laywers ( disclosure: I mean no harm to any one lawyer or the insustry or any future laywer in fact please disregard this commentary as meaningless tripe meant only for ones amusement)....define what it is we all do, instead of the natural evolution. For years there was the idea of being a good netizen. But these concepts often clash with the unwired world. When/if a lawsuit can stop the flow of information, it is the end of the web. I would think level headed people would ask the blogger to retract his post if it was untrue. But like the real world knee jerk reaction is to laywer everything instead of being a regular good Joe and asking for some sort of reprieve or love. I once hammered about on my blog about Trulia. CEO Pete Flint took some offense to it and got me on the phone and told me about his business. You know what? It really softened my view.The guy is brilliant. In my humble opinion(this statement of opinion was told to me by my attorney to place as my opinioon and is of such just opinion and not fact. It is not meant to cause damage, nor harm to the accuser in this story, the blogger, the blog where this comment is placed, not Bill Gates whom gave me IE7 to post it herewith, nor the makers of my Lap Top -Toshiba, nor TIme Warner my ISP. Thus my commentary is in fact I guess worthless as such and why am I even posting? Just forget you read any of it! Ahh that ought Cover me!) There are so many opportunities to play nice within this new media that is more productive anyway than the traditional way of doing things. .>>......all statement are of such, just opinions of the author and are not to be construed as advice, fact or anything. Just delete the damned thing! Man if this guy goes down for this, there is a whole lotta fish thats gonna fry.

Just like no one faults or invites (Echem!) Google to visit, grab, or list ones website. Google pulls all kinds of data more often than not without invitation or permission.A blog has been defined as the new journalism when in fact it is more akin to the editorial side of Journalism. And more often than not almost by definition sloppy journalism in that it is impossible to get your facts completely straight when you are pumping out posts sometimes 4x a day.

This is a slippery slope when the web lets the laywers ( disclosure: I mean no harm to any one lawyer or the insustry or any future laywer in fact please disregard this commentary as meaningless tripe meant only for ones amusement)….define what it is we all do, instead of the natural evolution. For years there was the idea of being a good netizen. But these concepts often clash with the unwired world.

When/if a lawsuit can stop the flow of information, it is the end of the web. I would think level headed people would ask the blogger to retract his post if it was untrue. But like the real world knee jerk reaction is to laywer everything instead of being a regular good Joe and asking for some sort of reprieve or love.

I once hammered about on my blog about Trulia. CEO Pete Flint took some offense to it and got me on the phone and told me about his business. You know what? It really softened my view.The guy is brilliant.

In my humble opinion(this statement of opinion was told to me by my attorney to place as my opinioon and is of such just opinion and not fact. It is not meant to cause damage, nor harm to the accuser in this story, the blogger, the blog where this comment is placed, not Bill Gates whom gave me IE7 to post it herewith, nor the makers of my Lap Top -Toshiba, nor TIme Warner my ISP. Thus my commentary is in fact I guess worthless as such and why am I even posting? Just forget you read any of it! Ahh that ought Cover me!)

There are so many opportunities to play nice within this new media that is more productive anyway than the traditional way of doing things.

.>>……all statement are of such, just opinions of the author and are not to be construed as advice, fact or anything. Just delete the damned thing!

]]> By: Mike Kelly http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/real-estate-blogger-fired-and-sued-for-25m/#comment-25416 Mike Kelly Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:11:32 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/real-estate-blogger-fired-and-sued-for-25m/707#comment-25416 A very simple truth here which every journalistic knows--you always get your facts straight before you publish. To make a statement which is false is libel. Just because he's a "humble blogger" is a cop-out. This whole "social networking" thing is going to shakeout and start getting some form and function and one of those will be verification of a statement prior to publication. You make a statement as he did, it goes "viral" and, like any rumor, gets legs and gets noticed! I'm not chilled by this whatsoever. If I make a statement saying someone had gone bankrupt it better be verified and have some context to the point I'm making on the blog. I thought his statement defending his use of the word was very lame. Reminded me of our ex-President with his tortured definition of what "sex" is? A very simple truth here which every journalistic knows–you always get your facts straight before you publish. To make a statement which is false is libel. Just because he’s a “humble blogger” is a cop-out. This whole “social networking” thing is going to shakeout and start getting some form and function and one of those will be verification of a statement prior to publication. You make a statement as he did, it goes “viral” and, like any rumor, gets legs and gets noticed! I’m not chilled by this whatsoever. If I make a statement saying someone had gone bankrupt it better be verified and have some context to the point I’m making on the blog. I thought his statement defending his use of the word was very lame. Reminded me of our ex-President with his tortured definition of what “sex” is?

]]> By: Refinance Denver http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/real-estate-blogger-fired-and-sued-for-25m/#comment-25415 Refinance Denver Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:16:18 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/real-estate-blogger-fired-and-sued-for-25m/707#comment-25415 I think this unfortunate event has brought to the forefront the difference between opinion and fact. Bloggers should weigh heavy on opinion and stay away from stating fact unless they are absolutely certain (and most of us don't have the time to do the appropriate fact checking). If the blogger in question said "went bankrupt," that would imply filing for bankruptcy to me, if I were a juror. There is also the delineation between business bankruptcy and personal. If you say someone "went bankrupt," and the bankruptcy was actually business, then it would be the business that went bankrupt. Even if this blogger is totally in the wrong legally, it's unfortunate that the consequences are so grave in our current society. I doubt that this real estate guy was damaged to the tune of $25M by one blog post, even if it turns out that there was indeed an error of fact. I think this unfortunate event has brought to the forefront the difference between opinion and fact. Bloggers should weigh heavy on opinion and stay away from stating fact unless they are absolutely certain (and most of us don’t have the time to do the appropriate fact checking). If the blogger in question said “went bankrupt,” that would imply filing for bankruptcy to me, if I were a juror. There is also the delineation between business bankruptcy and personal. If you say someone “went bankrupt,” and the bankruptcy was actually business, then it would be the business that went bankrupt. Even if this blogger is totally in the wrong legally, it’s unfortunate that the consequences are so grave in our current society. I doubt that this real estate guy was damaged to the tune of $25M by one blog post, even if it turns out that there was indeed an error of fact.

]]> By: John Beck http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/real-estate-blogger-fired-and-sued-for-25m/#comment-25412 John Beck Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:42:59 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/real-estate-blogger-fired-and-sued-for-25m/707#comment-25412 Any clue whether these empty houses have a homeowners exemption filed with the county? If so I wonder if that would be fraud. Just asking Any clue whether these empty houses have a homeowners exemption filed with the county? If so I wonder if that would be fraud.
Just asking

]]> By: Lucas Lechuga http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/real-estate-blogger-fired-and-sued-for-25m/#comment-25411 Lucas Lechuga Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:15:16 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/real-estate-blogger-fired-and-sued-for-25m/707#comment-25411 ....and I'm definitely David. ….and I’m definitely David.

]]> By: John Wake http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/real-estate-blogger-fired-and-sued-for-25m/#comment-25410 John Wake Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:52:42 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/real-estate-blogger-fired-and-sued-for-25m/707#comment-25410 Lucus, Hire a publicist and a lawyer right away. Depending on what your lawyer says, this could be a p.r. windfall for you. Newspapers only know a few story lines. They cram all stories into one of several story lines. Fortunately for you, one of their favorite story lines is David vs Goliath. Lucus, Hire a publicist and a lawyer right away. Depending on what your lawyer says, this could be a p.r. windfall for you.

Newspapers only know a few story lines. They cram all stories into one of several story lines. Fortunately for you, one of their favorite story lines is David vs Goliath.

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