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		<title>By: Redfin Secures Another $12M in Financing at The Phoenix Real Estate Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redfin Secures Another $12M in Financing at The Phoenix Real Estate Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] TechCrunch predicts a &quot;really big fight between realtors and Redfin is still to come&quot;.&#160; Sounds like a complete waste of time to me.&#160; If/when they arrive in Phoenix, some agents may simmer and sweat. To me, it&#039;ll be another 5, 10, 100 agents in a sea of 48,000 other agents. Just as we don&#039;t fear Zillow, we don&#039;t fear Redfin. Said it before, and I&#039;ll say it again&#8230; what&#039;s the big deal about Redfin? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] TechCrunch predicts a &quot;really big fight between realtors and Redfin is still to come&quot;.&nbsp; Sounds like a complete waste of time to me.&nbsp; If/when they arrive in Phoenix, some agents may simmer and sweat. To me, it&#39;ll be another 5, 10, 100 agents in a sea of 48,000 other agents. Just as we don&#39;t fear Zillow, we don&#39;t fear Redfin. Said it before, and I&#39;ll say it again&#8230; what&#39;s the big deal about Redfin? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jay - The Phoenix Re</title>
		<link>http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/redfin-60-minutes-whatever/#comment-14108</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay - The Phoenix Re</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 11:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard - great comment, thanks!  You make an excellent point about &quot;YGWYPF&quot;. This very blog is running on WordPress. It&#039;s a fabulous platform that didn&#039;t cost me a dime (other than the time spent on it). As you noted, software does not equal buying or selling a home. But the point is taken. 
 
&quot;Traditional&quot; real estate is changing. Agents that don&#039;t get (or believe) that are in trouble. They just don&#039;t realize it. Yet. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard &#8211; great comment, thanks!  You make an excellent point about &quot;YGWYPF&quot;. This very blog is running on WordPress. It&#039;s a fabulous platform that didn&#039;t cost me a dime (other than the time spent on it). As you noted, software does not equal buying or selling a home. But the point is taken.</p>
<p>&quot;Traditional&quot; real estate is changing. Agents that don&#039;t get (or believe) that are in trouble. They just don&#039;t realize it. Yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Cook</title>
		<link>http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/redfin-60-minutes-whatever/#comment-14048</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 13:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jay, 
 
I really enjoy your blog and the quality of your reader&#039;s comments. 
 
To the point, I found the 60 minutes piece to be somewhat behind the times. How long now has this argument been going on, this argument that always seems to boil down to them versus us? I would say there is room for all. I would also note that many independents are dropping their commission rates to compete with the big brokerages. This will eventually create great leverage the result of which is yet to be revealed. 
 
This &amp;sup3;US&amp;sup2; is not an amorphous lump of discounters, to be looked at with disdain. At SellSmart we provide a yard sign, open houses, laminated postcard mailings while suffering the increase in postage, placement in the MLS, and every other service that &amp;sup3;THEM&amp;sup2; offer. Other than a lower commission and a buyer rebate there is no difference between us and them. We provide innovative technology such as the Knockbox that adds another layer of service. Enabling buyers to tour a home right from the curb, at one of the most influential moments in the home shopping experience. 
 
As you stated earlier; 
 
&amp;sup3;Virtually every agent I know has &amp;sup3;adjusted&amp;sup2; commission rates for one reason or another&amp;sup2; 
 
Are those agents that &amp;sup3;adjusted&amp;sup2; their commissions a threat to traditional real estate? I would say no and neither are we. 
 
I have to take issue with &amp;sup3;you get what you pay for.&amp;sup2; I cite Google Mail, Hotmail, Blogger, Wordpress and there are many other free tools out there that help shape the mindset that &amp;sup3;free is cheap&amp;sup2; is dead. I note these especially because they are free yet so robust, but I am not trying to equate software to selling or buying a home. Just that the clich&#233; &amp;sup3;ygwypf&amp;sup2; as an argument is only that - clich&#233;. 
 
Thanks 
Richard Cook 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sellsmartrealestate.com&quot;&gt;SellSmart Real Estate&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jay,</p>
<p>I really enjoy your blog and the quality of your reader&#039;s comments.</p>
<p>To the point, I found the 60 minutes piece to be somewhat behind the times. How long now has this argument been going on, this argument that always seems to boil down to them versus us? I would say there is room for all. I would also note that many independents are dropping their commission rates to compete with the big brokerages. This will eventually create great leverage the result of which is yet to be revealed.</p>
<p>This &amp;sup3;US&amp;sup2; is not an amorphous lump of discounters, to be looked at with disdain. At SellSmart we provide a yard sign, open houses, laminated postcard mailings while suffering the increase in postage, placement in the MLS, and every other service that &amp;sup3;THEM&amp;sup2; offer. Other than a lower commission and a buyer rebate there is no difference between us and them. We provide innovative technology such as the Knockbox that adds another layer of service. Enabling buyers to tour a home right from the curb, at one of the most influential moments in the home shopping experience.</p>
<p>As you stated earlier;</p>
<p>&amp;sup3;Virtually every agent I know has &amp;sup3;adjusted&amp;sup2; commission rates for one reason or another&amp;sup2;</p>
<p>Are those agents that &amp;sup3;adjusted&amp;sup2; their commissions a threat to traditional real estate? I would say no and neither are we.</p>
<p>I have to take issue with &amp;sup3;you get what you pay for.&amp;sup2; I cite Google Mail, Hotmail, Blogger, WordPress and there are many other free tools out there that help shape the mindset that &amp;sup3;free is cheap&amp;sup2; is dead. I note these especially because they are free yet so robust, but I am not trying to equate software to selling or buying a home. Just that the clich&eacute; &amp;sup3;ygwypf&amp;sup2; as an argument is only that &#8211; clich&eacute;.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Richard Cook</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sellsmartrealestate.com">SellSmart Real Estate</a></p>
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		<title>By: Is this Hurricane Redfin I hear? : Arizona Mortgage Guru</title>
		<link>http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/redfin-60-minutes-whatever/#comment-13984</link>
		<dc:creator>Is this Hurricane Redfin I hear? : Arizona Mortgage Guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 00:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] past few days - from questioning the business model, to wondering out loud the relevance of even watching the segment - opinions are very interesting to read. The most thoughtful and engaging opinions of course are [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Freddie Aguilar</title>
		<link>http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/redfin-60-minutes-whatever/#comment-13955</link>
		<dc:creator>Freddie Aguilar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 10:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings, 
 
Nice Posted! Its so very informative and knowledgeable for your visitors or readers. 
Thank You for sharing.. Keep up the good work.. 
 
 
More Power, 
Freddie Aguilar 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hihcorp.com/&quot;&gt; Real Estate Investments &lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings,</p>
<p>Nice Posted! Its so very informative and knowledgeable for your visitors or readers.</p>
<p>Thank You for sharing.. Keep up the good work..</p>
<p>More Power,</p>
<p>Freddie Aguilar</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hihcorp.com/"> Real Estate Investments </a></p>
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		<title>By: Tucson Real Estate Blogs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 60 Minutes - What Everybody Ought To Know About Real Estate Commissions</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tucson Real Estate Blogs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; 60 Minutes - What Everybody Ought To Know About Real Estate Commissions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 13:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Thompsson from The Phoenix Real Estate Guy makes a strong point for you get what you pay for in Redfin, 60 Minutes, whatever&#8230; Add [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Douglas Trudeau</title>
		<link>http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/redfin-60-minutes-whatever/#comment-13873</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Trudeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 06:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, Great comments. Tied yours into the list I have built at the end of mine. When you get ready to read Active Rain I recommend reading what a non-Realtor wrote in Is ActiveRain the Best Advocate For Real Estate? He made some good points and has drawn a lot of favorable comments. 
 
You get what you pay for is so true. I can&#039;t wait for my Listing appoinment today. All the blogs and comments have prepared me for any objections. What a great forum to reinforce Stephen R. Covey&#039;s 7th Habit &quot;Sharpen The Saw.&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, Great comments. Tied yours into the list I have built at the end of mine. When you get ready to read Active Rain I recommend reading what a non-Realtor wrote in Is ActiveRain the Best Advocate For Real Estate? He made some good points and has drawn a lot of favorable comments.</p>
<p>You get what you pay for is so true. I can&#039;t wait for my Listing appoinment today. All the blogs and comments have prepared me for any objections. What a great forum to reinforce Stephen R. Covey&#039;s 7th Habit &quot;Sharpen The Saw.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: Jay - The Phoenix Real Estate Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/redfin-60-minutes-whatever/#comment-13851</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay - The Phoenix Real Estate Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 03:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ARW - I don&#039;t know the whole story. Ardell on Rain City Guide (who I have no reason to doubt) said she was contacted by 60 Minutes to do the segment, and summarily dismissed them when they wouldn&#039;t budge off the 6% thing.  Ardell said Marlow Harris was also contacted and either rejected them or they rejected her, I can&#039;t tell which. Both Ardell and Marlow are prominent Seattle area agents and bloggers, and I could certainly see them being contacted by the media (they have been before). 

(all this was buried in the comments of a post on RCG - http://www.raincityguide.com/2007/05/14/redfin-on-60-minutes-%e2%80%93-something-to-monitor/ )

And it wouldn&#039;t surprise me one iota that the mainstream media would nix the idea of having an articulate, outspoken agent on their show who would be willing to challenge their vision of the status quo... Virtually every agent I know has &quot;adjusted&quot; commission rates for one reason or another. I think they&#039;d have to dig fairly deep (at least around here) to find an old-school agent who wouldn&#039;t budge off the mythical &quot;standard&quot; of 6%.  Hence my choice of words when I said they hand picked the agent.

And I saw talk on RELiberation (a &quot;network&quot; site) PRIOR to the show airing where some said to have the NAR talking points handy in case the media contacted them after the show. What hooey. People need to learn to speak for themselves, not regurgitate some &quot;talking points&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ARW &#8211; I don&#8217;t know the whole story. Ardell on Rain City Guide (who I have no reason to doubt) said she was contacted by 60 Minutes to do the segment, and summarily dismissed them when they wouldn&#8217;t budge off the 6% thing.  Ardell said Marlow Harris was also contacted and either rejected them or they rejected her, I can&#8217;t tell which. Both Ardell and Marlow are prominent Seattle area agents and bloggers, and I could certainly see them being contacted by the media (they have been before). </p>
<p>(all this was buried in the comments of a post on RCG &#8211; <a href="http://www.raincityguide.com/2007/05/14/redfin-on-60-minutes-%e2%80%93-something-to-monitor/" rel="nofollow">http://www.raincityguide.com/2007/05/14/redfin-on-60-minutes-%e2%80%93-something-to-monitor/</a> )</p>
<p>And it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me one iota that the mainstream media would nix the idea of having an articulate, outspoken agent on their show who would be willing to challenge their vision of the status quo&#8230; Virtually every agent I know has &#8220;adjusted&#8221; commission rates for one reason or another. I think they&#8217;d have to dig fairly deep (at least around here) to find an old-school agent who wouldn&#8217;t budge off the mythical &#8220;standard&#8221; of 6%.  Hence my choice of words when I said they hand picked the agent.</p>
<p>And I saw talk on RELiberation (a &#8220;network&#8221; site) PRIOR to the show airing where some said to have the NAR talking points handy in case the media contacted them after the show. What hooey. People need to learn to speak for themselves, not regurgitate some &#8220;talking points&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay - The Phoenix Real Estate Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay - The Phoenix Real Estate Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 02:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth - thanks for stopping by and commenting. 

I fully intend to watch it, that&#039;s why I TiVo&#039;ed it. I just don&#039;t see it as earth shattering news and don&#039;t really see the urgency.

I am fully prepared to &quot;defend my position and commission&quot;. I don&#039;t really need any lessons from Glenn Kelman or the hand chosen Realtor of 60 Minutes. I&#039;ve read most of what&#039;s been blogged about the episode, I&#039;ve read a lot of Kelman&#039;s previous drivel, and I&#039;ve heard the mainstream media&#039;s slant before. Seriously, other than being able to respond to any clients direct inquiries about my feeling on the segment (and the bulk of my clients already know exactly how I feel about most of this) there&#039;s not a whole lot of compelling reason to flip the TV on -- particularly with 24 about to come one.

But I&#039;ll watch it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth &#8211; thanks for stopping by and commenting. </p>
<p>I fully intend to watch it, that&#8217;s why I TiVo&#8217;ed it. I just don&#8217;t see it as earth shattering news and don&#8217;t really see the urgency.</p>
<p>I am fully prepared to &#8220;defend my position and commission&#8221;. I don&#8217;t really need any lessons from Glenn Kelman or the hand chosen Realtor of 60 Minutes. I&#8217;ve read most of what&#8217;s been blogged about the episode, I&#8217;ve read a lot of Kelman&#8217;s previous drivel, and I&#8217;ve heard the mainstream media&#8217;s slant before. Seriously, other than being able to respond to any clients direct inquiries about my feeling on the segment (and the bulk of my clients already know exactly how I feel about most of this) there&#8217;s not a whole lot of compelling reason to flip the TV on &#8212; particularly with 24 about to come one.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll watch it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay - The Phoenix Re</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay - The Phoenix Re</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 22:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard - your links appear to be mainly empty directories. What&#039;s the point? Do agents pay you to put their link in your directories? How much? With BetterHomeBuying.com, you&#039;ve got a 3+ year old domain with a Google PR of 0 and no backlinks other than from comments in a blog today and a seminar from 2004. (Soon you&#039;ll have a link from this blog too. But be advised that MANY blogs have comments tagged with &quot;nofollow&quot;--meaning search engines won&#039;t see links in comments.) 
 
It will be difficult to get any organic search results with nothing more than a list of states on your home pages. How are you driving traffic to these directories? 
 
I&#039;m not meaning to pick on you, I just don&#039;t get it. Help me understand.... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard &#8211; your links appear to be mainly empty directories. What&#039;s the point? Do agents pay you to put their link in your directories? How much? With BetterHomeBuying.com, you&#039;ve got a 3+ year old domain with a Google PR of 0 and no backlinks other than from comments in a blog today and a seminar from 2004. (Soon you&#039;ll have a link from this blog too. But be advised that MANY blogs have comments tagged with &quot;nofollow&quot;&#8211;meaning search engines won&#039;t see links in comments.)</p>
<p>It will be difficult to get any organic search results with nothing more than a list of states on your home pages. How are you driving traffic to these directories?</p>
<p>I&#039;m not meaning to pick on you, I just don&#039;t get it. Help me understand&#8230;.</p>
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