Comments on: Revisited: Leaving Kids in Cars to Die http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/revisited-leaving-kids-in-cars-to-die/426 Phoenix Real Estate -- Anything and everything about it. Plus random musings... Now with Phoenix area MLS Listings Search! Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:28:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Beth Brown http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/revisited-leaving-kids-in-cars-to-die/426#comment-41840 Beth Brown Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:35:00 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/revisited-leaving-kids-in-cars-to-die/426#comment-41840 Thank you Nancy for showing the reality of these tragedies. I appeciate the sincerity of your comments. If you want to e-mail me in the future you can contact me via Jay. I am hoping he is more than willing to provide you with an e-mail address and even my website. He is a pretty good guy after all. <abbr><em><abbr><em>Beth Brown´s last blog post..<a href="http://onelittleheartbeat.blogspot.com/2008/11/jay-phoenix-real-estate-guy.html">Jay the Phoenix Real Estate Guy</a></em></abbr></abbr></em> Thank you Nancy for showing the reality of these tragedies. I appeciate the sincerity of your comments. If you want to e-mail me in the future you can contact me via Jay. I am hoping he is more than willing to provide you with an e-mail address and even my website. He is a pretty good guy after all.

Beth Brown´s last blog post..Jay the Phoenix Real Estate Guy

]]> By: Nancy http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/revisited-leaving-kids-in-cars-to-die/426#comment-41831 Nancy Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:06:31 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/revisited-leaving-kids-in-cars-to-die/426#comment-41831 My nephew died the same way. On August 13 2008. He was 3 years old. My mom forgot him in the car. She never took him to daycare before, but this day was different. People hate us. But you know what... Really, we are ok with that. I'd much rather have everyone hate us than to EVER know what it is that we are going through. I cannot get mad or upset with any of them. But you know what... It really hurts to get online and read the blogs of others, those who talk about something that they dont even know about. They say "That grandmother was on drugs" or "I bet she didnt forget her smokes"... To tell you the truth, it could happen to anyone. My mom does not smoke, drink, do any type of drug and she's the kind of person who wont even move the car unless I am buckled in and I'm 21. She is by far the most caring person in the world. She has given everything to everyone. And she still gives. .. To the family of Amberlee, I am so sorry and I can relate to what you are going through. I remember when I first heard about your story... I judged ya'll. Wrongly, I know that now. How I wish I didnt. But I know now. I'm sorry. For someone who takes even the best care of their child has the ability to forget. And also... Find a way to make sure you dont forget... I know that there are those out there who say... I know I wont... You know what... Maybe you wont, but does it hurt to have a back up plan? They now have this thing that you put in the baby seat that sends out an alarm to your keychain if there is weight in the seat and you walk away. It could very well save your childs life. As for us, my family... We are working hard to make sure that this slows. Our goal is to keep kids from dying in car related accidents. Now there are things that we cannot help, but for everything else, we plan to do whatever we can to get the word out. FOR EVERYONE. Even if we save just ONE child, we will have accomplished something. Please everyone Love your babies. And take the time to REMEMBER. And know, Accidents happen... Plan for accidents. Catch them before you make them. My nephew died the same way. On August 13 2008. He was 3 years old. My mom forgot him in the car. She never took him to daycare before, but this day was different.
People hate us. But you know what… Really, we are ok with that. I’d much rather have everyone hate us than to EVER know what it is that we are going through. I cannot get mad or upset with any of them. But you know what… It really hurts to get online and read the blogs of others, those who talk about something that they dont even know about. They say “That grandmother was on drugs” or “I bet she didnt forget her smokes”…
To tell you the truth, it could happen to anyone.
My mom does not smoke, drink, do any type of drug and she’s the kind of person who wont even move the car unless I am buckled in and I’m 21.

She is by far the most caring person in the world. She has given everything to everyone. And she still gives. ..

To the family of Amberlee, I am so sorry and I can relate to what you are going through. I remember when I first heard about your story… I judged ya’ll. Wrongly, I know that now. How I wish I didnt.
But I know now. I’m sorry.

For someone who takes even the best care of their child has the ability to forget.
And also… Find a way to make sure you dont forget… I know that there are those out there who say… I know I wont…
You know what… Maybe you wont, but does it hurt to have a back up plan?
They now have this thing that you put in the baby seat that sends out an alarm to your keychain if there is weight in the seat and you walk away.

It could very well save your childs life.

As for us, my family… We are working hard to make sure that this slows. Our goal is to keep kids from dying in car related accidents.
Now there are things that we cannot help, but for everything else, we plan to do whatever we can to get the word out. FOR EVERYONE.
Even if we save just ONE child, we will have accomplished something.

Please everyone Love your babies. And take the time to REMEMBER.
And know, Accidents happen… Plan for accidents. Catch them before you make them.

]]> By: Mike http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/revisited-leaving-kids-in-cars-to-die/426#comment-40808 Mike Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:46:48 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/revisited-leaving-kids-in-cars-to-die/426#comment-40808 I was missing her so much I couldn’t sleep tonight and I come online and find people stating horrible things about her father and wishing him to go to prison. I truly wish a horrible accident like this never befalls you for you to feel the pain I am watching this father endure every second. I was missing her so much I couldn’t sleep tonight and I come online and find people stating horrible things about her father and wishing him to go to prison. I truly wish a horrible accident like this never befalls you for you to feel the pain I am watching this father endure every second.

]]> By: MS http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/revisited-leaving-kids-in-cars-to-die/426#comment-30046 MS Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:24:56 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/revisited-leaving-kids-in-cars-to-die/426#comment-30046 I know a person in her fifties, who has been sober and responsible all her life. raised five children; all are grown and in good health. One day, she went to the store with her daughter, and her 8 month grand-daughter, who was in the third row seat of an astro van, in a baby seat. When they got to the store, they forgot she was with them. When they came back to the car, the police were there, and the baby was already taken to an emergency room. It was a cloudy day and it wasn’t as hot as usual. The baby was fine. a little dehydrated, but ok. Everyone is aware that the outcome could have been different. In this case, it really was an accident. Her daughter, also, was not the sort of person to do something like this, accidentally or on purpose. Three months later, a grand jury found the mother innocent, from lack of evidence. She was charged with leaving a child unattended in vehicle, a misdemeanor. The grand-mother wasn’t charged, because legally, she wasn’t responsible for the child. I am writing this, to warn every person who believes that they could never forget that they have a baby with them in the car, to realize that they could be the next person to do it. With the large vehicles, and babies being placed in back of vehicles, in rear facing seats, this is happening at an alarming rate. Back in the eighties, before people were told that the safest place for an infant was in the back of a car, in a rear facing seat, leaving children in cars, accidentally, was unheard of. The manufacturers of sensor plates, and buckle alarms, that would set off an alarm on your key ring if you get further that 10 feet from your vehicle, without your baby, are saying that the people who should have them, are the ones who think that they are too smart and responsible to ever forget a baby in a car, and won’t think it’s necessary to get one. The better alternative would be to have an alarm, built into the new cars. This would save lives.The two people who I know, who did this, also believed that they could never do this, until they did it. In my opinion, once a person is aware that that are capable of it, the chances of them doing this ever again, is zero. It’s the people who think they could never do it, or don’t believe anyone could do this, by mistake, that may be next, to do it. I know a person in her fifties, who has been sober and responsible all her life. raised five children; all are grown and in good health. One day, she went to the store with her daughter, and her 8 month grand-daughter, who was in the third row seat of an astro van, in a baby seat. When they got to the store, they forgot she was with them. When they came back to the car, the police were there, and the baby was already taken to an emergency room. It was a cloudy day and it wasn’t as hot as usual. The baby was fine. a little dehydrated, but ok. Everyone is aware that the outcome could have been different. In this case, it really was an accident. Her daughter, also, was not the sort of person to do something like this, accidentally or on purpose. Three months later, a grand jury found the mother innocent, from lack of evidence. She was charged with leaving a child unattended in vehicle, a misdemeanor. The grand-mother wasn’t charged, because legally, she wasn’t responsible for the child. I am writing this, to warn every person who believes that they could never forget that they have a baby with them in the car, to realize that they could be the next person to do it. With the large vehicles, and babies being placed in back of vehicles, in rear facing seats, this is happening at an alarming rate. Back in the eighties, before people were told that the safest place for an infant was in the back of a car, in a rear facing seat, leaving children in cars, accidentally, was unheard of. The manufacturers of sensor plates, and buckle alarms, that would set off an alarm on your key ring if you get further that 10 feet from your vehicle, without your baby, are saying that the people who should have them, are the ones who think that they are too smart and responsible to ever forget a baby in a car, and won’t think it’s necessary to get one. The better alternative would be to have an alarm, built into the new cars. This would save lives.The two people who I know, who did this, also believed that they could never do this, until they did it. In my opinion, once a person is aware that that are capable of it, the chances of them doing this ever again, is zero. It’s the people who think they could never do it, or don’t believe anyone could do this, by mistake, that may be next, to do it.

]]> By: Carlos Perez http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/revisited-leaving-kids-in-cars-to-die/426#comment-21975 Carlos Perez Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:36:05 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/revisited-leaving-kids-in-cars-to-die/426#comment-21975 Please read below. We have a product we would like to share with you. BABY SAFETY LINE Saving babies’ lives Tragedies of children left in cars. Forgotten by those that love them most. Why? Not intentional of course. We have become so busy that most of our days are a blur, we move along in auto pilot. We wake up each day, get ready for work, and get the children ready, off to work and ……………. Forget your baby in the car!! It almost happened to me! My wife and I went out to eat with our two children. It was routine when stopping any where, I would automatically get my son out of my side of the car and my wife would get my daughter on the other side of the car. Not this time! My wife was on her cell phone talking to her mom and when she walked into the restaurant with my daughter missing she immediately could tell something was wrong by the look on my face. When I asked where she was, our hearts fell and we ran to the car to find her screaming and banging on the window in fear. We will never forget that moment and the worst didn’t happen to me as it has too many others. Could you imagine that children DIE because they are forgotten by those that love them? I couldn’t believe the number of fatalities until I searched the web. You will be shocked once you read the tragic stories. Following are just a few of the many stories and once you read them, YOU TOO WILL BELIEVE! October, 2007 a mother left her 17- month old son in the car for at least seven hours while she worked. She was charged with negligent homicide in the child’s death. The high temperature in Phoenix was 89 degrees. Readings inside the vehicle reached upwards of 110 degrees, authorities said. Authorities pronounced the child dead. www.ksat.com/news/14469982/detail.html?rss=ant&psp=news August, 2003 Mikey, a 10 month old died tragically when his father left him in the back seat of his car one morning when he went to work and forgot to drop the baby off at daycare. It was the parent’s miracle baby, the last survivor of 14 embryos conceived through in-vitro fertilization but all dreams were shattered on that one busy day. www.4rkidssake.org/mikeysstory.htm August, 2007 Sophia Knutsen, a 7 month old baby died after being left in her parent’s car. Each parent had thought the other was taking care of the child, who was left in the parking lot of a Washington University School of Medicine parking lot. http://www.newsdaily.com/TopNews/UPI-1-20070914-18431400-bc-us-hotcar.xml I then realized that there must be a solution and that is when the idea of Baby Safety Line came to be. Save your babies life by simply putting a clip on my key chain? A small price to pay to keep your baby safe. Baby Safety Line is a line that you simply clip to your baby’s car seat and clip the other end to your key chain. When you reach your destination, you would naturally turn your ignition off and take your keys to vacate the car. The safety line would be attached to your keys thus allowing you to ALWAYS remember to get your baby. HELP US SHARE THIS CURE TO SAVE BABIES’ LIVES!!!!! I would love an opportunity to share with you this life saving product. Contact information Carlos Perez, Senior Vice President of Kidz Innovations 1 (800) 737-2316 x4 Email: carlos@kidzinnovations.com www.babysafetyline.com Please read below. We have a product we would like to share with you.

BABY SAFETY LINE
Saving babies’ lives
Tragedies of children left in cars. Forgotten by those that love them most.
Why? Not intentional of course. We have become so busy that most of our days are a blur, we move along in auto pilot. We wake up each day, get ready for work, and get the children ready, off to work and …………….
Forget your baby in the car!!
It almost happened to me!
My wife and I went out to eat with our two children. It was routine when stopping any where, I would automatically get my son out of my side of the car and my wife would get my daughter on the other side of the car. Not this time! My wife was on her cell phone talking to her mom and when she walked into the restaurant with my daughter missing she immediately could tell something was wrong by the look on my face. When I asked where she was, our hearts fell and we ran to the car to find her screaming and banging on the window in fear. We will never forget that moment and the worst didn’t happen to me as it has too many others.

Could you imagine that children DIE because they are forgotten by those that love them?
I couldn’t believe the number of fatalities until I searched the web. You will be shocked once you read the tragic stories.
Following are just a few of the many stories and once you read them, YOU TOO WILL BELIEVE!

October, 2007 a mother left her 17- month old son in the car for at least seven hours while she worked. She was charged with negligent homicide in the child’s death. The high temperature in Phoenix was 89 degrees. Readings inside the vehicle reached upwards of 110 degrees, authorities said. Authorities pronounced the child dead. http://www.ksat.com/news/14469.....p;psp=news

August, 2003 Mikey, a 10 month old died tragically when his father left him in the back seat of his car one morning when he went to work and forgot to drop the baby off at daycare. It was the parent’s miracle baby, the last survivor of 14 embryos conceived through in-vitro fertilization but all dreams were shattered on that one busy day. http://www.4rkidssake.org/mikeysstory.htm

August, 2007 Sophia Knutsen, a 7 month old baby died after being left in her parent’s car. Each parent had thought the other was taking care of the child, who was left in the parking lot of a Washington University School of Medicine parking lot.
http://www.newsdaily.com/TopNe.....hotcar.xml

I then realized that there must be a solution and that is when the idea of Baby Safety Line came to be. Save your babies life by simply putting a clip on my key chain? A small price to pay to keep your baby safe.
Baby Safety Line is a line that you simply clip to your baby’s car seat and clip the other end to your key chain. When you reach your destination, you would naturally turn your ignition off and take your keys to vacate the car. The safety line would be attached to your keys thus allowing you to ALWAYS remember to get your baby.

HELP US SHARE THIS CURE TO SAVE BABIES’ LIVES!!!!!

I would love an opportunity to share with you this life saving product.

Contact information
Carlos Perez, Senior Vice President of Kidz Innovations
1 (800) 737-2316 x4
Email: carlos@kidzinnovations.com

http://www.babysafetyline.com

]]> By: Harrison Struttmann Relative http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/revisited-leaving-kids-in-cars-to-die/426#comment-21849 Harrison Struttmann Relative Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:07:11 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/revisited-leaving-kids-in-cars-to-die/426#comment-21849 I encourage everyone who views this site to look at www.kidsincars.org I am the cousin of Harrison Struttmann and his parents started this foundation. I understand that parents endure emmense pain when they lose a child, but please never leave your children alone in a car, even if it is a nice day and the windows are cracked, there are so many ways a child can be injured or killed by being left alone in a vehicle, or can even injure or kill someone else. God Bless everyone I encourage everyone who views this site to look at http://www.kidsincars.org I am the cousin of Harrison Struttmann and his parents started this foundation. I understand that parents endure emmense pain when they lose a child, but please never leave your children alone in a car, even if it is a nice day and the windows are cracked, there are so many ways a child can be injured or killed by being left alone in a vehicle, or can even injure or kill someone else. God Bless everyone

]]> By: Yet Another Child Cooked in a Car… at The Phoenix Real Estate Guy http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/revisited-leaving-kids-in-cars-to-die/426#comment-21787 Yet Another Child Cooked in a Car… at The Phoenix Real Estate Guy Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:39:30 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/revisited-leaving-kids-in-cars-to-die/426#comment-21787 [...] of tragedy doesn’t just happen in the oppressive heat of the Phoenix summer. I posted a graph here that shows how hot (and how quickly) the interior of a car can get at various [...] [...] of tragedy doesn’t just happen in the oppressive heat of the Phoenix summer. I posted a graph here that shows how hot (and how quickly) the interior of a car can get at various [...]

]]> By: First Ever Nacho Blogger Award « http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/revisited-leaving-kids-in-cars-to-die/426#comment-20293 First Ever Nacho Blogger Award « Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:18:39 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/revisited-leaving-kids-in-cars-to-die/426#comment-20293 [...] puts ethics above everything.  He selflessly promotes social causes, condemns parents leaving babies in cars, had an image of a local predator on his front page in efforts of catching him and warns parents [...] [...] puts ethics above everything.  He selflessly promotes social causes, condemns parents leaving babies in cars, had an image of a local predator on his front page in efforts of catching him and warns parents [...]

]]> By: Rebafan http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/revisited-leaving-kids-in-cars-to-die/426#comment-20266 Rebafan Sun, 16 Sep 2007 04:53:18 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/revisited-leaving-kids-in-cars-to-die/426#comment-20266 The difference is that the drunk driver chose to endager people when he knowingly drove a car altered. He was in an altered state of consciousness and chose to put his live at risk as well as the lives of others. Unfortunately there are parents that leave their children in cars intentionally. In some cases that is not true, that is the difference. If you drove to the grocery store, or the brothel, and left your child in the car because it was Incovenient to take him/her with you, then the situation would be different. The law enforcement exists to find those people who are lying, and to punish them. It is a sad fact that bad things happen to good people, and not every accident is a crime. The difference is that the drunk driver chose to endager people when he knowingly drove a car altered. He was in an altered state of consciousness and chose to put his live at risk as well as the lives of others. Unfortunately there are parents that leave their children in cars intentionally. In some cases that is not true, that is the difference. If you drove to the grocery store, or the brothel, and left your child in the car because it was Incovenient to take him/her with you, then the situation would be different. The law enforcement exists to find those people who are lying, and to punish them. It is a sad fact that bad things happen to good people, and not every accident is a crime.

]]> By: galveston http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/revisited-leaving-kids-in-cars-to-die/426#comment-20255 galveston Sat, 15 Sep 2007 07:53:11 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/revisited-leaving-kids-in-cars-to-die/426#comment-20255 I'm sorry, but I still favor proesecution for negligence. It's too easy to say, "He'll punish himself for the rest of his life." It's too pat. I'm sure a person who drove drunk and killed a stranger would punish himself or herself for the rest of his/her life, too...but the law would still prosecute the drunk driver. The drunk driver might have children who need his presence and income, but so what? As Jay said, the law doesn't forgive a crime because of remorse on the part of the perpetrator. Why does the "he'll punish himself enough" standard not apply to the drunk driver who happens to kill someone *else's* child? Why are our *own* children not worthy of justice? Short term memory "getting wiped out" doesn't cut it. "I forgot" doesn't cut it. You're the parent. You are responsible. You have to make yourself remember. If you forget your child, you have a problem. You are deficient and neglectful. I don't care how many friends and neighbors tell me what a wonderful parent Mr./Mrs. Forgetful is. What's to keep a parent who wants to get rid of a child from doing exactly this and putting on the performance of his or her life? Think about it. If you're tired and you're not the one who usually drives the baby to day care, throw your briefcase in the back seat. Throw your purse in the backseat. That's all it would take. There is no legitimate excuse for forgetting your child. None. I’m sorry, but I still favor proesecution for negligence. It’s too easy to say, “He’ll punish himself for the rest of his life.” It’s too pat. I’m sure a person who drove drunk and killed a stranger would punish himself or herself for the rest of his/her life, too…but the law would still prosecute the drunk driver. The drunk driver might have children who need his presence and income, but so what? As Jay said, the law doesn’t forgive a crime because of remorse on the part of the perpetrator. Why does the “he’ll punish himself enough” standard not apply to the drunk driver who happens to kill someone *else’s* child?

Why are our *own* children not worthy of justice? Short term memory “getting wiped out” doesn’t cut it. “I forgot” doesn’t cut it. You’re the parent. You are responsible. You have to make yourself remember. If you forget your child, you have a problem. You are deficient and neglectful. I don’t care how many friends and neighbors tell me what a wonderful parent Mr./Mrs. Forgetful is. What’s to keep a parent who wants to get rid of a child from doing exactly this and putting on the performance of his or her life? Think about it. If you’re tired and you’re not the one who usually drives the baby to day care, throw your briefcase in the back seat. Throw your purse in the backseat. That’s all it would take. There is no legitimate excuse for forgetting your child. None.

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