Comments on: *Sigh*… Another Child Cooked in a Car http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/sigh-another-child-cooked-in-a-car/ Phoenix real estate | Search Phoenix Homes for sale | Real Estate Blog Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:20:58 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Jay - The Phoenix Real Estate Guyhttp://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/sigh-another-child-cooked-in-a-car/#comment-36929 Jay - The Phoenix Real Estate Guy Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:06:32 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/sigh-another-child-cooked-in-a-car/393#comment-36929 Beth -I can not imagine the pain you have felt. I am *so* sorry for your loss.I often wish I hadn't written this post, but I write about things that affect me, and this story, and ones like, it affect me greatly.I apologize for what may have been harsh words. But I learned a lot from writing this, and from the comments that were left.I never intended to cause you any additional pain. If it's any comfort to you, I have received several emails from people that said this post raised their awareness and made them think, remember and act to prevent tragedies like this. Maybe, just maybe we were able to spare one family from the torture you have endured.I'm concerned that some may come here and react to your comment and cause you additional pain. So I am going to do something I've never done on this blog and close the comments.I hope you, Kyle and all that knew and loved Amberlee can find peace. I know you will never forget her. I wish you all well. Beth –

I can not imagine the pain you have felt. I am *so* sorry for your loss.

I often wish I hadn’t written this post, but I write about things that affect me, and this story, and ones like, it affect me greatly.

I apologize for what may have been harsh words. But I learned a lot from writing this, and from the comments that were left.

I never intended to cause you any additional pain. If it’s any comfort to you, I have received several emails from people that said this post raised their awareness and made them think, remember and act to prevent tragedies like this. Maybe, just maybe we were able to spare one family from the torture you have endured.

I’m concerned that some may come here and react to your comment and cause you additional pain. So I am going to do something I’ve never done on this blog and close the comments.

I hope you, Kyle and all that knew and loved Amberlee can find peace. I know you will never forget her. I wish you all well.

]]> By: Bethhttp://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/sigh-another-child-cooked-in-a-car/#comment-36923 Beth Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:29:15 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/sigh-another-child-cooked-in-a-car/393#comment-36923 I am Amberlee's Mother. It breaks my heart to hear people sit here and stand in judgement of us. How dare you think that what we are going through is not the absolute WORST thing that we could ever face in our life...prison could never do worse to us. AS I sit here shortly after the anniversary of the worst days of my life....I am apalled to hear people stand in judgement that I know...are imperfect themselves.What many people don't know is that Amberlee was in the car for less than 2 hours...when I called 911 I consciously made the decisions to state the longest time it could have possibly been...because I wanted them to understand how much help she needed. Also, the news quite often states my husband was running errands. One major lesson in life that everybody needs to learn is that ***the news is not 100% truthful***. My husband drove his mothe,r who cannot see, home from our house...and came back...we have 5 daughters. All of them were napping...he simply forgot he had taken one of them with him and he wrongfully assumed she had been napping too.Had you been in our house that day...you may not feel the way you do. Had you ever seen my loving husband care for his children...or seen what a sweet and docile man he is...you would never question whether he intended to do this on purpose or whether he should be punished further. Make no mistake...this was not intentional...and we are suffering CONSTANTLY the pain never goes away...and the pain does not lessen with time. We miss her everyday...and we always will. We loved her...she was an amazingly beautiful and sweet baby. I hope you never have to stand at a gravesite to see what is left of you child...becuase it is the absolute worst feelling anyone could ever have.Thank you to everybody who supports and believes in us...the rest of you...I may learn to forgive you one day...but right now I cannot...because you words hurt me more than you could know.FYI...there is a person on this blog that seems to feel they know me well enough to make comments about my personal life. These comments are not only inaccurate, this person is so distantly connected to me, they have NO RIGHT to make personal comments about me on this or any website.Finally, thank you Jay...I appreciate you kind words that point out the possibly lack of validity on the personal comments submitted. I am Amberlee’s Mother. It breaks my heart to hear people sit here and stand in judgement of us. How dare you think that what we are going through is not the absolute WORST thing that we could ever face in our life…prison could never do worse to us. AS I sit here shortly after the anniversary of the worst days of my life….I am apalled to hear people stand in judgement that I know…are imperfect themselves.

What many people don’t know is that Amberlee was in the car for less than 2 hours…when I called 911 I consciously made the decisions to state the longest time it could have possibly been…because I wanted them to understand how much help she needed. Also, the news quite often states my husband was running errands. One major lesson in life that everybody needs to learn is that ***the news is not 100% truthful***. My husband drove his mothe,r who cannot see, home from our house…and came back…we have 5 daughters. All of them were napping…he simply forgot he had taken one of them with him and he wrongfully assumed she had been napping too.

Had you been in our house that day…you may not feel the way you do. Had you ever seen my loving husband care for his children…or seen what a sweet and docile man he is…you would never question whether he intended to do this on purpose or whether he should be punished further. Make no mistake…this was not intentional…and we are suffering CONSTANTLY the pain never goes away…and the pain does not lessen with time. We miss her everyday…and we always will. We loved her…she was an amazingly beautiful and sweet baby. I hope you never have to stand at a gravesite to see what is left of you child…becuase it is the absolute worst feelling anyone could ever have.

Thank you to everybody who supports and believes in us…the rest of you…I may learn to forgive you one day…but right now I cannot…because you words hurt me more than you could know.

FYI…there is a person on this blog that seems to feel they know me well enough to make comments about my personal life. These comments are not only inaccurate, this person is so distantly connected to me, they have NO RIGHT to make personal comments about me on this or any website.

Finally, thank you Jay…I appreciate you kind words that point out the possibly lack of validity on the personal comments submitted.

]]> By: Anonymoushttp://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/sigh-another-child-cooked-in-a-car/#comment-32098 Anonymous Wed, 21 May 2008 16:40:45 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/sigh-another-child-cooked-in-a-car/393#comment-32098 I apologize for my lack of thought at the wording "get past losing Amberlee." I was, of course, not trying to be insensitive. I have known the Brown family for a while now. I wouldn't go so far as to call us friends, but my sister and her husband are friends with Beth and Kyle. I have never lost a child and would not presume to know what that would do to me, but Beth and Kyle know that they are responsible for the death of Amberlee and they will have to live with that fact forever. I do not think that anyone has the right to dictate how they deal with that grief. I know that thier new baby does not "take the place" of Amberlee, but having another child was Beth and Kyle's way of dealing with things. Perhaps bringing something so joyful into their lives has helped them deal a little better with their pain. I have a son the same age as Amberlee would have been. When I go to my sister's house and Beth is there, she has to leave because she cannot bear to see my child and be reminded that her Amberlee would be growing and developing the same way had she been given a chance to live. I do not personally agree with the Brown's having more children, but that is thier choice to make. I apologize for my lack of thought at the wording “get past losing Amberlee.” I was, of course, not trying to be insensitive. I have known the Brown family for a while now. I wouldn’t go so far as to call us friends, but my sister and her husband are friends with Beth and Kyle. I have never lost a child and would not presume to know what that would do to me, but Beth and Kyle know that they are responsible for the death of Amberlee and they will have to live with that fact forever. I do not think that anyone has the right to dictate how they deal with that grief. I know that thier new baby does not “take the place” of Amberlee, but having another child was Beth and Kyle’s way of dealing with things. Perhaps bringing something so joyful into their lives has helped them deal a little better with their pain. I have a son the same age as Amberlee would have been. When I go to my sister’s house and Beth is there, she has to leave because she cannot bear to see my child and be reminded that her Amberlee would be growing and developing the same way had she been given a chance to live. I do not personally agree with the Brown’s having more children, but that is thier choice to make.

]]> By: Durangohttp://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/sigh-another-child-cooked-in-a-car/#comment-31596 Durango Thu, 08 May 2008 16:00:46 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/sigh-another-child-cooked-in-a-car/393#comment-31596 DO NOT BLAME THIS ON GOD! God is a loving God. So, basically what you are saying is that God is also a cruel God? Every bad thing that happens in this world is God's fault? I have a really hard time swallowing the idea that God would permit people to be brutally tortured and brutally raped, beaten, sodomized? Are you trying to say that since HE let it happen it was HIS will? Are you serious? Read the bible man ... have you ever heard of Satan? You do know that he is the bad guy right? You do know that he is in constant war with God, right? So, what if someone had children, what if this person killed those children, knowingly? Since God let that happen, this person should be allowed to have more children? I am not saying that this family did this purposely, of course they did not. But it seems to me since they already gave birth to another baby - - - umm, let's see, this happened in June, so it's just a little over 9 months later - wow, didn't take them long now, did it? What an honor to little Amberlee - let's replace her immediately, like she was a number. I do not understand some of you people. This was a helpless infant. I hope they relive the moment every day - maybe then they will be aware enough to never let it happen again. I cry for the way Amberlee suffered. Did she cry out, was she gasping for breath? Was she thinking, where are my mommy and daddy? This is a tragedy. And I stand by my comment that they should not have had any more children. I don't care what anyone says. You have children because you want them and want to raise them and take care of them. You should never have more children than you can mentally handle. Why is it that the Chandler police officer who left his canine in his car got way more backlash than this family? He did is accidentally too - why does this society think that was more important than this little baby. Why, he ever went to court, faced charges in front of a judge, I believe. Did Kyle? Did Elizabeth? Oh, I forgot, Amberlee was just a number. I have to say, that is warped. DO NOT BLAME THIS ON GOD! God is a loving God. So, basically what you are saying is that God is also a cruel God? Every bad thing that happens in this world is God’s fault? I have a really hard time swallowing the idea that God would permit people to be brutally tortured and brutally raped, beaten, sodomized? Are you trying to say that since HE let it happen it was HIS will? Are you serious? Read the bible man … have you ever heard of Satan? You do know that he is the bad guy right? You do know that he is in constant war with God, right? So, what if someone had children, what if this person killed those children, knowingly? Since God let that happen, this person should be allowed to have more children? I am not saying that this family did this purposely, of course they did not. But it seems to me since they already gave birth to another baby – - – umm, let’s see, this happened in June, so it’s just a little over 9 months later – wow, didn’t take them long now, did it? What an honor to little Amberlee – let’s replace her immediately, like she was a number. I do not understand some of you people. This was a helpless infant. I hope they relive the moment every day – maybe then they will be aware enough to never let it happen again. I cry for the way Amberlee suffered. Did she cry out, was she gasping for breath? Was she thinking, where are my mommy and daddy? This is a tragedy. And I stand by my comment that they should not have had any more children. I don’t care what anyone says. You have children because you want them and want to raise them and take care of them. You should never have more children than you can mentally handle. Why is it that the Chandler police officer who left his canine in his car got way more backlash than this family? He did is accidentally too – why does this society think that was more important than this little baby. Why, he ever went to court, faced charges in front of a judge, I believe. Did Kyle? Did Elizabeth? Oh, I forgot, Amberlee was just a number. I have to say, that is warped.

]]> By: Denver Mortgage Brokerhttp://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/sigh-another-child-cooked-in-a-car/#comment-31584 Denver Mortgage Broker Thu, 08 May 2008 13:49:19 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/sigh-another-child-cooked-in-a-car/393#comment-31584 Durango--"Are you kidding me??!!! Driving is "HYPNOTIC?" Maybe YOU shouldn't be driving ..."The human brain is capable of multitasking. You can do something dangerous like driving or performing surgery whilst simultaneously daydreaming or simply being preoccupied. Pilots do it, surgeons do it ... everyone does it. It's just the way the brain works."... these people do not deserve to have any more children."You are not God, so you are not in the position to determine whether or not someone deserves to have more children. I will also point out that God himself could have intervened and chose not to do so. He could have directed a passerby to notice the child, and the person would have called 911. Are we to suppose that this little child's guardian angel was taking a smoke break? If we are all children of God, created by Him, why then did God not take care of this child? He could have easily given the parent a mental shake, and this would have never happened. The reality is that we cannot understand the way God works -- why He does or does not intervene. And since we understand so little, wisdom suggests that we not take harsh stances ... such as telling other people that they should not have more children. Durango–

“Are you kidding me??!!! Driving is “HYPNOTIC?” Maybe YOU shouldn’t be driving …”

The human brain is capable of multitasking. You can do something dangerous like driving or performing surgery whilst simultaneously daydreaming or simply being preoccupied. Pilots do it, surgeons do it … everyone does it. It’s just the way the brain works.

“… these people do not deserve to have any more children.”

You are not God, so you are not in the position to determine whether or not someone deserves to have more children. I will also point out that God himself could have intervened and chose not to do so. He could have directed a passerby to notice the child, and the person would have called 911. Are we to suppose that this little child’s guardian angel was taking a smoke break? If we are all children of God, created by Him, why then did God not take care of this child? He could have easily given the parent a mental shake, and this would have never happened. The reality is that we cannot understand the way God works — why He does or does not intervene. And since we understand so little, wisdom suggests that we not take harsh stances … such as telling other people that they should not have more children.

]]> By: Durangohttp://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/sigh-another-child-cooked-in-a-car/#comment-31572 Durango Thu, 08 May 2008 05:47:09 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/sigh-another-child-cooked-in-a-car/393#comment-31572 Are you kidding me??!!! Driving is "HYPNOTIC?" Maybe YOU shouldn't be driving - driving is one of the most dangerous activities there is and you are being hypnotized while driving? Come on people ... the Brown's have 4 OTHER children ... they needed another one to move on, to get past Amberlee?! This is just a tragedy - I am so beyond words, I cannot speak. Thank goodness we have a forgiving God, because I tell you, these people do not deserve to have any more children. Of course it was an accident, but if they cannot remember the baby in the car - not dad, not mom and not the 4 siblings .. I cannot believe that NONE of them missed this baby or wondered where she was, or why is the house so quiet? Come on, this is just pure ignorance. This couple cannot handle the responsibility, nor should they be allowed to. Take care of the kids you have - don't bring more into the world ... and for God's sake, do not dare forget where they are! Are you kidding me??!!! Driving is “HYPNOTIC?” Maybe YOU shouldn’t be driving – driving is one of the most dangerous activities there is and you are being hypnotized while driving? Come on people … the Brown’s have 4 OTHER children … they needed another one to move on, to get past Amberlee?! This is just a tragedy – I am so beyond words, I cannot speak. Thank goodness we have a forgiving God, because I tell you, these people do not deserve to have any more children. Of course it was an accident, but if they cannot remember the baby in the car – not dad, not mom and not the 4 siblings .. I cannot believe that NONE of them missed this baby or wondered where she was, or why is the house so quiet? Come on, this is just pure ignorance. This couple cannot handle the responsibility, nor should they be allowed to. Take care of the kids you have – don’t bring more into the world … and for God’s sake, do not dare forget where they are!

]]> By: Denver Mortgage Brokerhttp://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/sigh-another-child-cooked-in-a-car/#comment-31562 Denver Mortgage Broker Thu, 08 May 2008 01:21:28 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/sigh-another-child-cooked-in-a-car/393#comment-31562 Let's not forget that driving is hypnotic. Is there anyone here who hasn't fallen into a hypnotic state while driving? I have been in my car and thought to myself, "Where was I going, anyway?" I've actually had to turn towards home because I forgot where I was going, only to remember shortly thereafter and turn around again.I don't see the problem with this couple having more children. A mistake was made, and they do need to continue with life -- not stop living it. I have known a couple of women whose children drowned due to their error. Both of them had another child. I don't see a problem with that, so I don't see anything wrong with it in this situation. Let’s not forget that driving is hypnotic. Is there anyone here who hasn’t fallen into a hypnotic state while driving? I have been in my car and thought to myself, “Where was I going, anyway?” I’ve actually had to turn towards home because I forgot where I was going, only to remember shortly thereafter and turn around again.

I don’t see the problem with this couple having more children. A mistake was made, and they do need to continue with life — not stop living it. I have known a couple of women whose children drowned due to their error. Both of them had another child. I don’t see a problem with that, so I don’t see anything wrong with it in this situation.

]]> By: Jay - The Phoenix Real Estate Guyhttp://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/sigh-another-child-cooked-in-a-car/#comment-31559 Jay - The Phoenix Real Estate Guy Wed, 07 May 2008 23:54:33 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/sigh-another-child-cooked-in-a-car/393#comment-31559 I was leaving my last comment apparent as Durango was typing hers...I **hope** the anonymous commenter's words of "getting past" Amberlee were really meant to mean, "they are moving on". Moving on, I can see -- we do all have to "move on" with our lives, painful as that may be.But "getting past", I don't think so. That does make it sound like, "I'll just have another baby so I can forget about Amberlee".Surely, SURELY that's not the case...The "and she has said she still wants to have more" comment disturbs me. I was leaving my last comment apparent as Durango was typing hers…

I **hope** the anonymous commenter’s words of “getting past” Amberlee were really meant to mean, “they are moving on”. Moving on, I can see — we do all have to “move on” with our lives, painful as that may be.

But “getting past”, I don’t think so. That does make it sound like, “I’ll just have another baby so I can forget about Amberlee”.

Surely, SURELY that’s not the case…

The “and she has said she still wants to have more” comment disturbs me.

]]> By: Jay - The Phoenix Real Estate Guyhttp://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/sigh-another-child-cooked-in-a-car/#comment-31558 Jay - The Phoenix Real Estate Guy Wed, 07 May 2008 23:47:18 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/sigh-another-child-cooked-in-a-car/393#comment-31558 Anonymous - thanks for the update. It sounds like the family is moving along as best they can. And that is good.Just a warning, the "she has said she still wants to have more" comment may lead to some further discussion....As "Durango" said (and welcome back by the way!) summertime is approaching. I hope and pray that another story like this doesn't happen this year.But sadly, I fear it will. Anonymous – thanks for the update. It sounds like the family is moving along as best they can. And that is good.

Just a warning, the “she has said she still wants to have more” comment may lead to some further discussion….

As “Durango” said (and welcome back by the way!) summertime is approaching. I hope and pray that another story like this doesn’t happen this year.

But sadly, I fear it will.

]]> By: Denver Mortgage Brokerhttp://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/sigh-another-child-cooked-in-a-car/#comment-31557 Denver Mortgage Broker Wed, 07 May 2008 23:47:08 +0000 http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/sigh-another-child-cooked-in-a-car/393#comment-31557 I'm surprised that there isn't a law requiring the disclosure of the fact that a person died in the car. Maybe there is. I can't imagine wanting to own the car if that was the case. I’m surprised that there isn’t a law requiring the disclosure of the fact that a person died in the car. Maybe there is. I can’t imagine wanting to own the car if that was the case.

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