The sign is deceiving. When you pull in, it says permit required on monday through friday. It' doesn't say anything about weekends. Those towing signs are all over the place, so you expect to see them and think nothing of them, especially when it's on a weekend and the sign doesn't say anything about needing a permit on weekends, but yet there are cars parked there on the weekends with permits. Scam all the way ad perfectly designed to rip people off.

I figured out tonight that they make a hefty revenue each month from this scam and if the owner of that lot and the tow truck company split 50 50, the owner of the lot takes in about $30,000 per month minimum from poor people who can't afford to pay the amount. And that's just one of their lots.

I turned away 20 cars tonight and if they charge $155 per car minimum, that's about $3,100 I save people last night.

I say we get together and work in shifts to stand out on the sidewalk on Friday afternoon into the night and the same on Saturday and cut into their revenue by at least $24,000 per month.

People were so thankful when I told them what happened.

If you read this and want to help me, email me at majicaldave@yahoo.com.

The police told me I couldn't go on their property or I would be tresspassing, but there is not problem walking the sidewalks.

That clearly is not the case here. If I mispoke and offended anyone I do apologize that was not my intent. I was trying to represent those that do the service as intended (abandoned vehicles, overcrowding apartment complexes etc.)

You, as well as many of your readers have pointed out violations by this company that not only depict a clear case of a wrongful tow, but quite possibly a punitive issue as well.

My advice to the good citizens of Tempe and surrounding areas is to fight fire with fire.

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Perhaps a beater (tow companies dont tow beaters unless they have to the appearance of the owners ability to pay does factor.) Maybe it could be used as *your* "bait".

Perhaps the bait car has a problem that if moved could possibly "develop a serious suspension issue" if moved or towed.

I dont know of a car like that, nor am I implying that anyone should manipulate any vehicle to be considerded anything less than safe. I believe that could me misconstrude as malicious intent.

Anyway I have heard of scenarios like that. Not pretty for the people that moved

I will keep fiollowing…

Why cant we, using that logic, find a reason that you were unable to claim your vehcile at no charge? It simply is not allowed in any state. Non compliant? No charge!

Now we enter the Credit Card portion in which you stated, "I did look up the code Daniel. That’s how I found the signage was completely in violation of it. At the time this incident took place, “cash only” was perfectly legal. There was a law pending that would require impounders to accept credit cards. Now they have to."

Well, now isnt that just make you a proud American? You start a business, You work hard, You know which ones are cancelling the credit card transaction prior to them leaving your lot, So, you have learned with these less than happy forced customers you demand cash only to protect yourself. Then the govt steps in, to your private business and tells you what forms of payment you can accept for certain types of work. Almost like saying Jay all condos that you deal with forever are getting commission cuts becuase the govt said so?? Almost un American.

Speaking from experience, I do provide a relocation services to a very small amount of propery owners in the the Far NW suburbs of Chicago.

Bait cars are exactly that. police use them to catch prostitutes, car thieves?? Why is there no negative feedback on the Police Dept??

What you are referring to is a "holding area" what is commonly known as "Vehicle Stacking" is not illegal in the county that I reside, however a little jaunt into Cook County chahges everything. Stacking is illegal in Cook County. State Laws mention nothing at all regarding the above mentioned. Gets really hairy.

You feel ripped off, you want somehow to justify what you went through. Scam? doubtful. Probable is a guy that cannot keep a customer, probably failed in numerous other fields til some salesman sold him a tow truck. Now all he needs is a propery owner on a hot lot and Jackpot.

He makes quick cash until people stop parking there. You should be focusing more on the person that knowingly hired this "obvious scam". Propery owners that know these scenarios that you and others have gone through want these guys, not so much for the possible kick backs but for the ridiculously fast removal of the car(s). They dont like guys like me that take my time to these calls, trying to give the owner as big of a lead as possible.

I cant understand why local law did not intervene on your behalf if this guy was as non-compliant as you describe.

Although you touched on a few things from my previous post, you also left some out.

What should we do with the shoplifter stating he didnt see the sign, and what are we supposed to do with the Pile of junk that some idiot parked in your driveway.

Looking forward to your reply

Daniel

You're right, I'm the one that parked there. No, I didn't verify that it was private property. Who does that? When you see cars parked in a corner lot (one that has parking spaces painted on it no less), and you don't see any no parking signs because the owner failed to comply with simple city signage ordinances, then it seems reasonable to assume it's OK to park there.

I find it ironic that if the owner did nothing wrong, why, less than 48 hours after the incident, was the signage brought up to code?

You said, "Most states force the towing company to take all major crredit cards, so I bet if you look up the vehcile code in your state, you should find that to be true."

I did look up the code Daniel. That's how I found the signage was completely in violation of it. At the time this incident took place, "cash only" was perfectly legal. There was a law pending that would require impounders to accept credit cards. Now they have to.

You ask if I'm in sales. I don't see what that has to do with anything, but yes, obviously I am. I think it's pretty clear from this blog that I'm a real estate broker.

I'm curious, are you in the "vehicle relocation" industry?

Painted parking area stripes, bait cars, the *fact* (found after writing this post) that the towing company rapidly pulled cars off the lot, put them around the corner and THEN towed them to the impound lot (a violation of the law by the way) — all point to a towing scam plain and simple. Sure, I parked there, and that was wrong. But that doesn't make a scam that breaks several laws OK. Yes you can argue that if I hadn't parked there this never would have happened. But you can also argue that if the scam hadn't been in place it wouldn't have happened either.

I've got no problem paying fines if I did something wrong. I'm far from a perfect person. God knows I've paid more than my share of speeding tickets. I paid the money to get my car back in this case. But I don't know anyone that likes to get ripped off by an obvious scam to fleece people of their money.

Although you seem to read your tat the problem. From all I have read in this post, you Jay, noone else are to blame first off. Lets call it like it is. You made a concious decision to "park" or "abandon" your vehicle on someone else's private property with no verification of permission on behalf of the legal owner. So, as we have all learned as children Personal Responsibility.

So, understandably when people that break that law often do, you got upset. You say its not the money, It is. Had they let you take your car at no charge, none of us would have been able to read your "defense". Unfamiliar with private property and or trespassing laws in your state (clearly, by your own admission you were guilty of) They probably resemble the rest in most major areas.

Here is whhat happens (usually). SIgnage at the city/counties ordinances has to be met. Most states use "Every curb Entrance" regardless of the size of the lot. So if there are only two ways in or out (huessing) only two signs need to be posted at the ordinance requirement. Anything above and beyond that is the relocation company doing everything they can to make sure, (in the event youissed the legally posted sign) there are plenty more slapped on whatever they can find. Does not matter if that sign is in the grass, upside down.

Understand that they hear the same excuse from every person. "I didn't see the sign". Seriously Jay, does that excuse any other person that has broken the law??

Picture for a moment, a person in a grocery store that, like peoples that trespass and abandon their posessions on others property, gets arrested and taken to jail. The police say,, "Sorry sir, you r bail is $135.00 and we dont take checks. Well how dare they right Jay? The fellow being charged didn't see the sign that warned shoplifters. Do you think he should get a free pass Jay? I mean, his eyes are not so hot and he couldnt read from 50 ft away. See, essentially thats your arguement. You wasted a tremedous amount of time, energy, to sit there and blame others for your self centered, I can park anywhere I want because I am Jay and I didnt see the sign.

Now Jay I am sure you are good at your job, you seem to be able to get people rallied on your side using slanderous words almost as if you were trying to make a sales pitch? Are you in sales Jay? How about some junk car driver decides that he likes your personal driveway, yup he likes it alot so without asking at all, he just pulls in like he owns your house parks his automobile right in the middle and walks away.

That would be kind of interesting wouldn't it? We know for sure he didnt see the sign, answer me that Jay, Your driveway, in the middle, blocking the whole show,,YOUR PROPERTY!!! Think he might find some inadequate uninformed attorney that probably agrees with him and ss he will help but never des cuz it is a losing battle you see.

Back to responsibilty. Jay I am sure you are a nice guy but please understand that your arguement even if legit, only shows what you want it to show. It seems the young soon to be attorney would be the guy I would hire…

Now, Lastly the cash…this is touchy. People in that situation are no doubt upset. So the credit card transaction goes through and the person that broke the law, or credit card holder (if you will) gets in his now legally parked vehicle and starts chuckling to himself with his "ultimate plan" to sabotoge the relocators that are being hired to protect private property (yours too), calls the credit card company and disputes or contests the charges on his statement. (again, dodging personal responsibility) and he is chuckling hard because while in his rage and anger at at the "scam" that he thinks he was in, signed his Credit card reciept with a bunch jibberish, to ultimatley say "that snot even my signature". See as soon as the amount is disputed, it is removed from the relocation account and held up in some hearing waiting area.

Of course, Now I get to go to court, with my attorney (usually they dont care about your or my finances) like everyone else they have their hand out waiting to profit from a person that just didnt see the sign…..

Sorry for the rant, merely trying to explain to the resentful people more to the story in most cases.

There are a large amount of what is commonly known as "predatory Towing" agencies that do use bait cars, threats, alot of the things you described earlier.

Most states force the towing company to take all major crredit cards, so I bet if you look up the vehcile code in your state, you should find that to be true.