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		<title>By: ignite phoenix - my experience &#124; krystofer.com</title>
		<link>http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/towing-scam-the-day-after/#comment-60647</link>
		<dc:creator>ignite phoenix - my experience &#124; krystofer.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I couldn&#8217;t make the after party, but apparently that meant I also missed out on some shady towing practices down on Mill Avenue. A lot of people got towed from an intentionally misleading empty lot. I wasn&#8217;t there, but If you want to read the entire drama and subsequent research, here&#8217;s a great entry by Jay Thompson. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I couldn&#8217;t make the after party, but apparently that meant I also missed out on some shady towing practices down on Mill Avenue. A lot of people got towed from an intentionally misleading empty lot. I wasn&#8217;t there, but If you want to read the entire drama and subsequent research, here&#8217;s a great entry by Jay Thompson. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Staten Island Real Estate</title>
		<link>http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/towing-scam-the-day-after/#comment-59531</link>
		<dc:creator>Staten Island Real Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have been pissed it that happened too me. That small sign is obviously a trap, to bait people into parking. I am sure the owner of the lot gets a cut under the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have been pissed it that happened too me. That small sign is obviously a trap, to bait people into parking. I am sure the owner of the lot gets a cut under the table.</p>
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		<title>By: StatenIslandRealEstateAgent</title>
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		<dc:creator>StatenIslandRealEstateAgent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have been pissed it that happened too me. That small sign is obviously a trap, to bait people into parking. I am sure the owner of the lot gets a cut under the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have been pissed it that happened too me. That small sign is obviously a trap, to bait people into parking. I am sure the owner of the lot gets a cut under the table.</p>
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		<title>By: Paco McDooby</title>
		<link>http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/towing-scam-the-day-after/#comment-57531</link>
		<dc:creator>Paco McDooby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 06:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another important thing to keep in mind when dealing with towing companies in Arizona is that if you are the owner of the car, they have absolutely no right to hold your car if it was towed without your permission.  They cannot demand payment on the spot as a condition to releasing the vehicle.  If they do, it&#039;s theft.  The towing company&#039;s can try to sue the person who parked the car for the towing charge, but the towing company cannot use the car itself as leverage.

The Arizona Court of Appeals has said that IF THE SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET, then the tow company&#039;s recovery (if any) is against the PARKING VIOLATOR, as opposed to the vehicle owner. &quot;A sign that complies with A.R.S. 9-499.05 creates a legally binding contract between the towing company and the PARKING VIOLATOR which would permit a towing company to seek relief for its contractual damages.&quot; Adage Towing &amp; Recovery, Inc. v. City of Tucson, 187 Ariz. 396, 398, 930 P.2d 473, 475 (App. 1996).

Regardless of who the alleged parking violator is, the tow company MUST release the car to the owner. When the Arizona Supreme Court addressed this issue, it held that a towing company commits theft when it tows a car that was parked on private property without the property owner&#039;s permission  and then refuses to release the car to the car&#039;s owner.

&quot;According to the undisputed facts, the petitioner [a towing company], without lawful authority, knowingly controlled the property of another with the intent to restore it only upon payment of compensation. We believe the elements of the crime as specified under A.R.S. § 13-1801(2) and § 13-1802(A) have been satisfied, and that the petitioner may be charged with theft.&quot; Capson v. Superior Court of State of Ariz., In and For Maricopa County, 139 Ariz. 113, 116, 677 P.2d 276, 279 (1984).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another important thing to keep in mind when dealing with towing companies in Arizona is that if you are the owner of the car, they have absolutely no right to hold your car if it was towed without your permission.  They cannot demand payment on the spot as a condition to releasing the vehicle.  If they do, it&#8217;s theft.  The towing company&#8217;s can try to sue the person who parked the car for the towing charge, but the towing company cannot use the car itself as leverage.</p>
<p>The Arizona Court of Appeals has said that IF THE SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS ARE MET, then the tow company&#8217;s recovery (if any) is against the PARKING VIOLATOR, as opposed to the vehicle owner. &#8220;A sign that complies with A.R.S. 9-499.05 creates a legally binding contract between the towing company and the PARKING VIOLATOR which would permit a towing company to seek relief for its contractual damages.&#8221; Adage Towing &amp; Recovery, Inc. v. City of Tucson, 187 Ariz. 396, 398, 930 P.2d 473, 475 (App. 1996).</p>
<p>Regardless of who the alleged parking violator is, the tow company MUST release the car to the owner. When the Arizona Supreme Court addressed this issue, it held that a towing company commits theft when it tows a car that was parked on private property without the property owner&#8217;s permission  and then refuses to release the car to the car&#8217;s owner.</p>
<p>&#8220;According to the undisputed facts, the petitioner [a towing company], without lawful authority, knowingly controlled the property of another with the intent to restore it only upon payment of compensation. We believe the elements of the crime as specified under A.R.S. § 13-1801(2) and § 13-1802(A) have been satisfied, and that the petitioner may be charged with theft.&#8221; Capson v. Superior Court of State of Ariz., In and For Maricopa County, 139 Ariz. 113, 116, 677 P.2d 276, 279 (1984).</p>
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		<title>By: Paco McDooby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paco McDooby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 06:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, keep in mind that the towing company has the burden of proving that they complies with all the signage requirements.  The Arizona Court of Appeals, commenting on the statute posted above, has explicitly stated that if the signage requirements are not met, there can be NO RECOVERY for the towing company: &quot;before a legally binding contract is created, the towing company obviously would have to establish that the signs complied with all elements of § 9-499.05(B), including the requirement that the signs be &#039;clearly visible and readable from any point within the parking area and at each entrance.&#039; &quot; Adage Towing &amp; Recovery, Inc. v. City of Tucson, 187 Ariz. 396, 399 n.5, 930 P.2d 473, 476 (App. 1996).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, keep in mind that the towing company has the burden of proving that they complies with all the signage requirements.  The Arizona Court of Appeals, commenting on the statute posted above, has explicitly stated that if the signage requirements are not met, there can be NO RECOVERY for the towing company: &#8220;before a legally binding contract is created, the towing company obviously would have to establish that the signs complied with all elements of § 9-499.05(B), including the requirement that the signs be &#8216;clearly visible and readable from any point within the parking area and at each entrance.&#8217; &#8221; Adage Towing &amp; Recovery, Inc. v. City of Tucson, 187 Ariz. 396, 399 n.5, 930 P.2d 473, 476 (App. 1996).</p>
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		<title>By: Paco McDooby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paco McDooby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 06:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People are talking a lot about Tempe municipal law, but they also need to look at Arizona state law.  It is possible to comply with Tempe municipal law while violating Arizona state law (and vice versa).

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ARS 9-499.05 states, in part, that:

B. The owner or agent of the owner of the private property shall be DEEMED TO HAVE GIVEN CONSENT TO UNRESTRICTED PARKING by the general public in any parking area of the private property UNLESS such parking area is posted with signs as prescribed by this subsection which are CLEARLY VISIBLE and READABLE from ANY POINT within the parking area and at each entrance. 

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That means that if there exists any point in the parking lot at which a parking sign is not clearly readable, then the lot owner -- as a matter of law -- is deemed to have granted permission to park there.  Tempe municipal law is wholly irrelevant to whether a lot owner meets the requirements of the state statute.  In other words, even if a lot owner fully complies with the Tempe ordinance, the lot owner might still fail to meet the state statute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are talking a lot about Tempe municipal law, but they also need to look at Arizona state law.  It is possible to comply with Tempe municipal law while violating Arizona state law (and vice versa).</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>ARS 9-499.05 states, in part, that:</p>
<p>B. The owner or agent of the owner of the private property shall be DEEMED TO HAVE GIVEN CONSENT TO UNRESTRICTED PARKING by the general public in any parking area of the private property UNLESS such parking area is posted with signs as prescribed by this subsection which are CLEARLY VISIBLE and READABLE from ANY POINT within the parking area and at each entrance. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>That means that if there exists any point in the parking lot at which a parking sign is not clearly readable, then the lot owner &#8212; as a matter of law &#8212; is deemed to have granted permission to park there.  Tempe municipal law is wholly irrelevant to whether a lot owner meets the requirements of the state statute.  In other words, even if a lot owner fully complies with the Tempe ordinance, the lot owner might still fail to meet the state statute.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Wax-Portland Real Estate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Wax-Portland Real Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang, it is interesting to read all the comments-and I&#039;d be &quot;Joe&quot; is either part of the tow truck company that scammed everyone in that lot or a tow truck driver somewhere else. Go get them, Jay, and good luck in bringing them down!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang, it is interesting to read all the comments-and I&#8217;d be &#8220;Joe&#8221; is either part of the tow truck company that scammed everyone in that lot or a tow truck driver somewhere else. Go get them, Jay, and good luck in bringing them down!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Ferguson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Ferguson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay,

You still have it!  This has been one of the more entertaining posts in recent memory.  I hope you can change a seemingly rotten system.

As an aside, in 1984 and 1985, I spent some time at the Motorola Mesa plant working on starting up the 256k DRAM (yep, I am old).  The MOS 5 guys must have told me a dozen times &quot;be careful when you park anywhere around ASU; they&#039;ll tow you in minutes.&quot;  So, even back then, it was considered to be a &quot;parking trap&quot;.  

Regards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,</p>
<p>You still have it!  This has been one of the more entertaining posts in recent memory.  I hope you can change a seemingly rotten system.</p>
<p>As an aside, in 1984 and 1985, I spent some time at the Motorola Mesa plant working on starting up the 256k DRAM (yep, I am old).  The MOS 5 guys must have told me a dozen times &#8220;be careful when you park anywhere around ASU; they&#8217;ll tow you in minutes.&#8221;  So, even back then, it was considered to be a &#8220;parking trap&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Regards.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles@Las Vegas Real Estate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles@Las Vegas Real Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GO GET&#039;EM Jay. Funny how they are using the &#039;law&#039; to stick you with a ridiculous towing bill but don&#039;t adhere to it themselves. I wonder how much money that little lot generates for the towing company and how much of that the land owner gets.

*&lt;em&gt;*&lt;em&gt;Charles&#180;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lvrealty.net/news/las-vegas-housing-market&quot;&gt;Las Vegas Housing Market: Foreclosures Down, Sales Up&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GO GET&#8217;EM Jay. Funny how they are using the &#8216;law&#8217; to stick you with a ridiculous towing bill but don&#8217;t adhere to it themselves. I wonder how much money that little lot generates for the towing company and how much of that the land owner gets.</p>
<p>*<em>*</em><em>Charles&#180;s last blog post..<a href="http://www.lvrealty.net/news/las-vegas-housing-market">Las Vegas Housing Market: Foreclosures Down, Sales Up</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been an incredible story and the comments interesting too.

Even if you take them to small claims court, please do so, and keep
us apprised of any new developments!  

Follow the money....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been an incredible story and the comments interesting too.</p>
<p>Even if you take them to small claims court, please do so, and keep<br />
us apprised of any new developments!  </p>
<p>Follow the money&#8230;.</p>
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