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> <channel><title>Comments on: Why Do So Many Agents Fear Zillow?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/why-do-so-many-agents-fear-zillow/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/why-do-so-many-agents-fear-zillow/</link> <description>Phoenix real estate &#124; Search Phoenix Homes for sale &#124; Real Estate Blog</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:20:58 -0500</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Jay - The Phoenix Real Estate Guy</title><link>http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/why-do-so-many-agents-fear-zillow/#comment-39967</link> <dc:creator>Jay - The Phoenix Real Estate Guy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:17:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/why-do-so-many-agents-fear-zillow/327#comment-39967</guid> <description>M-I agree. But then again Zillow isn&#039;t claiming that they are doing appraisals. Granted, people may &lt;i&gt;perceive&lt;/i&gt; that it&#039;s an appraisal, but the reality is, it&#039;s a rough *estimate* based on public data.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M-</p><p>I agree. But then again Zillow isn&#8217;t claiming that they are doing appraisals. Granted, people may <i>perceive</i> that it&#8217;s an appraisal, but the reality is, it&#8217;s a rough *estimate* based on public data.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: m</title><link>http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/why-do-so-many-agents-fear-zillow/#comment-39966</link> <dc:creator>m</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:41:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/why-do-so-many-agents-fear-zillow/327#comment-39966</guid> <description>Zillow (and AVMs in general) does not understand the guidelines that appraisers must follow when selecting comparables. Most of the time the sales are dated, non-arms length transactions,etc... At least that is my experience with it (I am an appraiser).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zillow (and AVMs in general) does not understand the guidelines that appraisers must follow when selecting comparables. Most of the time the sales are dated, non-arms length transactions,etc&#8230; At least that is my experience with it (I am an appraiser).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: It&#8217;s Earth Day at the Carnival</title><link>http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/why-do-so-many-agents-fear-zillow/#comment-32911</link> <dc:creator>It&#8217;s Earth Day at the Carnival</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 00:05:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/why-do-so-many-agents-fear-zillow/327#comment-32911</guid> <description>[...] their fair share of defenders and those that&#8230;we&#8217;ll, aren&#8217;t in love with them. In Why do so many agents fear Zillow, Jay Thompson is perplexed as to why many agents perceive Zillow the way Earth Day activists see [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] their fair share of defenders and those that&#8230;we&#8217;ll, aren&#8217;t in love with them. In Why do so many agents fear Zillow, Jay Thompson is perplexed as to why many agents perceive Zillow the way Earth Day activists see [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Why Are You Wearing That Zillow Shirt? They are the Enemy! at The Phoenix Real Estate Guy</title><link>http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/why-do-so-many-agents-fear-zillow/#comment-21986</link> <dc:creator>Why Are You Wearing That Zillow Shirt? They are the Enemy! at The Phoenix Real Estate Guy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:00:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/why-do-so-many-agents-fear-zillow/327#comment-21986</guid> <description>[...] I&#8217;ve never understood why some agents fear Zillow. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve never understood why some agents fear Zillow. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Zillow Scores Another $30M at The Phoenix Real Estate Guy</title><link>http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/why-do-so-many-agents-fear-zillow/#comment-20330</link> <dc:creator>Zillow Scores Another $30M at The Phoenix Real Estate Guy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:21:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/why-do-so-many-agents-fear-zillow/327#comment-20330</guid> <description>[...] guess they can get in line with a certain segment of the real estate population that still seems to fear Zillow or think &quot;Zillow [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] guess they can get in line with a certain segment of the real estate population that still seems to fear Zillow or think &quot;Zillow [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Steve Keohane</title><link>http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/why-do-so-many-agents-fear-zillow/#comment-13940</link> <dc:creator>Steve Keohane</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 14:09:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/why-do-so-many-agents-fear-zillow/327#comment-13940</guid> <description>by Steve Keohane, USN (Ret)
Massachusetts Appraiser
The BIG AVM Lie
Automated Valuation Models (AVMs)
Many lenders, including Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Wells Fargo, Countrywide and Washington Mutual made very risky decisions several years back to utilize computer generated appraisals (known as AVMs) instead of licensed real estate appraisers.
This extraordinary &quot;Risk taking&quot; by lenders in the name of greed nationwide is now beginning to cause problems in the bond markets because of the extraordinary risk of backing mortgages when nobody ever even looked at the property (homes and property) being financed.  The subprime market meltdown due mostly to their Liar! Liar! loans (no income verification) is yet another clear indication of Lender irresponsibility and greed.Lenders nationwide were warned in the spring of 2004, that when they use anything less than a full, traditional appraisal in housing markets where values are soft, they could be penalized on Wall Street.Fitch Ratings, one of the major risk-assessment firms for the global bond market, believes that anything less than what it calls &quot;the full monty&quot; -- an on-site, exterior and interior professional appraisal -- is likely to overstate the true worth of the property if it&#039;s located in any of dozens of slowly appreciating markets around the country.Fitch plans to impose a 10 to 15 percent &quot;haircut,&quot; or devaluation, of the homes backing mortgages in bond pools if they are in soft real estate markets and did not get traditional full appraisals. That rules out all the quicker and less costly valuation alternatives in wide use, including online database &quot;automated valuation models&quot; (AVMs), broker price opinions, desk reviews, tax assessments and drive-bys.Bond investors -- those who buy into the giant mortgage pools that fund much of the U.S. home loan market -- care deeply about accurate property valuations. That&#039;s because when borrowers default and go into foreclosure, investors lose more when the appraisal used by the lender inflated the property&#039;s true value.These AVMs are similar to those you pay $10-$20 for on YaHoo or at some other company sites. They were known as neural logic or &quot;fuzzy logic&quot; when they were used on the stock market in the mid 90&#039;s. They failed there miserably.Like neural logic programs of the past, AVMs which the banks are now using are also failing miserably.  These computer programs begin their &quot;appraisal&quot; by blindly generating an appraised value for a home with very faulty data.  This computer &quot;analysis&quot; is based on multiple regression analysis with a large amount of the most pertinent variables, including your homes actual condition, its actual verified size, and your location removed from their equation.   Only after AVMs find the appraised value do they begin searching to find what they consider likely comparables.
The reason the banks are doing this is not to save you money--but to increase their own bottom line (they collect the fee).  This also allows the lender to &quot;fudge&quot;  these computer generated home valuations, because no 3rd party (like an appraiser) is now watching them.  When a mortgage company is involved, our experience as state licensed appraisers is that a large percentage (not all) of loan officers will do anything it takes to &quot;push a loan&quot; just to collect their own commission.  This is not always in your best interest!  Suppose you owe much more than your home is worth, and the real estate market takes a down turn; you may soon find yourself filing bankruptcy if you had to sell your home.  Relying on these AVMs to give you a value prior to selling your home could very well cost you $10,000-$100,000 in lost equity.  It has happened to many people.Read more about AVMs here: http://appraisercentral.com/AVM.htm</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>by Steve Keohane, USN (Ret)<br
/> Massachusetts Appraiser</p><p>The BIG AVM Lie</p><p>Automated Valuation Models (AVMs)</p><p>Many lenders, including Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Wells Fargo, Countrywide and Washington Mutual made very risky decisions several years back to utilize computer generated appraisals (known as AVMs) instead of licensed real estate appraisers.</p><p>This extraordinary &#8220;Risk taking&#8221; by lenders in the name of greed nationwide is now beginning to cause problems in the bond markets because of the extraordinary risk of backing mortgages when nobody ever even looked at the property (homes and property) being financed.  The subprime market meltdown due mostly to their Liar! Liar! loans (no income verification) is yet another clear indication of Lender irresponsibility and greed.</p><p>Lenders nationwide were warned in the spring of 2004, that when they use anything less than a full, traditional appraisal in housing markets where values are soft, they could be penalized on Wall Street.</p><p>Fitch Ratings, one of the major risk-assessment firms for the global bond market, believes that anything less than what it calls &#8220;the full monty&#8221; &#8212; an on-site, exterior and interior professional appraisal &#8212; is likely to overstate the true worth of the property if it&#8217;s located in any of dozens of slowly appreciating markets around the country.</p><p>Fitch plans to impose a 10 to 15 percent &#8220;haircut,&#8221; or devaluation, of the homes backing mortgages in bond pools if they are in soft real estate markets and did not get traditional full appraisals. That rules out all the quicker and less costly valuation alternatives in wide use, including online database &#8220;automated valuation models&#8221; (AVMs), broker price opinions, desk reviews, tax assessments and drive-bys.</p><p>Bond investors &#8212; those who buy into the giant mortgage pools that fund much of the U.S. home loan market &#8212; care deeply about accurate property valuations. That&#8217;s because when borrowers default and go into foreclosure, investors lose more when the appraisal used by the lender inflated the property&#8217;s true value.</p><p>These AVMs are similar to those you pay $10-$20 for on YaHoo or at some other company sites. They were known as neural logic or &#8220;fuzzy logic&#8221; when they were used on the stock market in the mid 90&#8217;s. They failed there miserably.</p><p>Like neural logic programs of the past, AVMs which the banks are now using are also failing miserably.  These computer programs begin their &#8220;appraisal&#8221; by blindly generating an appraised value for a home with very faulty data.  This computer &#8220;analysis&#8221; is based on multiple regression analysis with a large amount of the most pertinent variables, including your homes actual condition, its actual verified size, and your location removed from their equation.   Only after AVMs find the appraised value do they begin searching to find what they consider likely comparables.</p><p>The reason the banks are doing this is not to save you money&#8211;but to increase their own bottom line (they collect the fee).  This also allows the lender to &#8220;fudge&#8221;  these computer generated home valuations, because no 3rd party (like an appraiser) is now watching them.  When a mortgage company is involved, our experience as state licensed appraisers is that a large percentage (not all) of loan officers will do anything it takes to &#8220;push a loan&#8221; just to collect their own commission.  This is not always in your best interest!  Suppose you owe much more than your home is worth, and the real estate market takes a down turn; you may soon find yourself filing bankruptcy if you had to sell your home.  Relying on these AVMs to give you a value prior to selling your home could very well cost you $10,000-$100,000 in lost equity.  It has happened to many people.</p><p>Read more about AVMs here: <a
href="http://appraisercentral.com/AVM.htm" rel="nofollow">http://appraisercentral.com/AVM.htm</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: &#8220;JB&#8221; says, ZILLOW SUCKS! at The Phoenix Real Estate Guy</title><link>http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/why-do-so-many-agents-fear-zillow/#comment-13050</link> <dc:creator>&#8220;JB&#8221; says, ZILLOW SUCKS! at The Phoenix Real Estate Guy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 07:51:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/why-do-so-many-agents-fear-zillow/327#comment-13050</guid> <description>[...] agent. I wouldn&#039;t necessarily say that I&#039;m &quot;supportive&quot; of Zillow. I simply do not fear Zillow, and have actually found it a useful tool, especially in listing presentations when a seller says, [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] agent. I wouldn&#39;t necessarily say that I&#39;m &quot;supportive&quot; of Zillow. I simply do not fear Zillow, and have actually found it a useful tool, especially in listing presentations when a seller says, [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael A. Jones, GRI, NRBA</title><link>http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/why-do-so-many-agents-fear-zillow/#comment-12974</link> <dc:creator>Michael A. Jones, GRI, NRBA</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:54:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/why-do-so-many-agents-fear-zillow/327#comment-12974</guid> <description>In helping a client recieve the highest and best value for their home, it is vitily important to examine the comparables you use in your CMA.Just like the supermarket. When you are picking out fruit or corn for your own consumption.You are carefully looking at each piece to insure that you are getting value and quality for your money. The longer the banana
sits there, the less value is has.This can not be achieved electronicly! You can not compare apples with oranges.Respectfully,Michael A. Jones, GRI, NRBA
Member of the National REO Brokers Association</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In helping a client recieve the highest and best value for their home, it is vitily important to examine the comparables you use in your CMA.</p><p>Just like the supermarket. When you are picking out fruit or corn for your own consumption.</p><p>You are carefully looking at each piece to insure that you are getting value and quality for your money. The longer the banana<br
/> sits there, the less value is has.</p><p>This can not be achieved electronicly! You can not compare apples with oranges.</p><p>Respectfully,</p><p>Michael A. Jones, GRI, NRBA<br
/> Member of the National REO Brokers Association</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: 39th Carnival of Real Estate is up at Trulia at The Phoenix Real Estate Guy</title><link>http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/why-do-so-many-agents-fear-zillow/#comment-12946</link> <dc:creator>39th Carnival of Real Estate is up at Trulia at The Phoenix Real Estate Guy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:17:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/why-do-so-many-agents-fear-zillow/327#comment-12946</guid> <description>[...] of Real Estate is up at the fine Trulia blog. Sporting a spiffy Earth Day theme, Trulia gave one of our Zillow posts a mention (Thanks! Do I get a [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of Real Estate is up at the fine Trulia blog. Sporting a spiffy Earth Day theme, Trulia gave one of our Zillow posts a mention (Thanks! Do I get a [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Carnival of Real Estate . . . &#124; BloodhoundBlog: National real estate marketing and technology weblog &#124; There's always something to howl about...</title><link>http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/why-do-so-many-agents-fear-zillow/#comment-12943</link> <dc:creator>The Carnival of Real Estate . . . &#124; BloodhoundBlog: National real estate marketing and technology weblog &#124; There's always something to howl about...</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:43:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.phoenixrealestateguy.com/why-do-so-many-agents-fear-zillow/327#comment-12943</guid> <description>[...] up at Trulia Blog. Jay Thompson did well with Why Do So Many Agents Fear Zillow? We entered and lost with Zillow.com at the Dawn of the Age of Abundance: Working for free is not a [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] up at Trulia Blog. Jay Thompson did well with Why Do So Many Agents Fear Zillow? We entered and lost with Zillow.com at the Dawn of the Age of Abundance: Working for free is not a [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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