Why I deleted my ActiveRain blog posts

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Tonight I went into my ActiveRain account and deleted every article I’d ever posted there.

When I mentioned this on Twitter, it caused a bit of a stir, so I thought I’d take the time to explain my actions.

Some backstory…

Back in February 2009, the ActiveRain network announced they were moving to a pay model. What had once been free would now cost money. This caused quite the discussion, but let’s face it – the ActiveRain founders had every right to monetize their network.

The announcement included the news that AR would “grandfather” founding members. In other words, only new AR members would be required to pay to have a full-featured “Rainmaker” account. I thought this was a pretty nice gesture. As always happens with announcements like this, rumors and misunderstanding happened almost immediately. One of those rumors was that founding members (of which I was one) would only be grandfathered in for a year. One of the AR principals, Jonathan Washburn swiftly squashed that rumor with this comment on the announcement post:

Jonathan-Washburn-free-membership-for-life

Fast forward to today…

Twitter began to buzz that grandfathered Rainmaker accounts were being removed. Now I’ve only posted articles twice to AR in the last two years, but I do log on and read and comment a couple of times a month. I’d seen no notice that grandfathered accounts were going away. I know many of the folks that founded and work at ActiveRain and shutting off account with no notice just didn’t fit with the way these guys typically do business. But sure enough, when I logged into my account, my “Rainmaker status” was gone – unless I wanted to pay $39/month to get it back.

I said to myself, “Self, you must have missed an email.” So I searched. Nope, no email notice. So I said, “Self, there has to be something about this posted on the AR blog”. So I went to the “Official AR Blog” – nothing. Not a mention of this.

After some investigation, and help from my Twitter friends, a post by Bob Stewart, another AR principal was uncovered.

In his post dated May 25, 2010, Bob states:

Thank you to everyone who has helped build ActiveRain into the network it is today. In our continued effort to reward our members who have spent time, energy and heart growing our network and contributing on a regular basis, we are implementing a new policy regarding grandfathered RainMaker accounts:

Grandfathered Rainmakers who have contributed one blog post in the previous 90 days will keep their grandfathered RainMaker account. Grandfathered RainMaker members who have NOT contributed one public blog post in the previous 90 days, will lose their grandfathered RainMaker account.

Well, so much for “membership for life”… More like 17 months.

But wait. The post goes on to say that “Starting June 24th, grandfathered RainMakers who have not posted a public blog post in the previous 90 days will lose their grandfathered RainMaker status. You will be notified when your account has gone 60 days without a blog post. This will give you 30 days to generate one public blog post in order to keep your grandfathered RainMaker status.”

A “60 day warning”, fair enough. Except I didn’t get a 60 day warning. I suppose I could have deleted it, but if you’ve ever seen my email inbox, you’d see I don’t delete anything. I archive everything in Gmail. I received no 60 day notice. In fact, it hasn’t even been 60 days since the announcement was made…

Several commenters on the announcement post, and several on Twitter also said they got no warning notice.

Yet Rainmaker accounts are dropping like flies.

I pondered this development and will freely admit that it didn’t sit well, at all, with me.

You see, I joined ActiveRain back in June of 2006, not long after it started up. There was no blogging platform back then. In fact, there wasn’t much of anything back than. About all you could do was build a profile page and invite other members to join. But I thought the idea of a real estate “social network” was brilliant, and I knew it would grow and develop.

And grow and develop it did. I, and many other original members invited others. We evangelized for the network. We helped it grow and develop into what is today, a 186,000 member strong network. It is, almost inarguably, the leading real estate social network.

Why I even posted what AR themselves has recognized as the first blog post on their network, and on March 25, the one-millionth blog was posted on AR.

And yet here today, many “for life” grandfathered accounts are no more. Unless you “contribute” once every 90 days.

I suspect someone right now is saying, “Oh quit your whining and just post once every 90 days”.

I think you are missing the point.

I, and many others, did contribute to AR. Dare I say without the founding members, AR wouldn’t be what it is today. Brad Andersohn, the AR Community Manager commented to me after the 1,000,000th post:

Brads thank you

“Thanks for starting us off and sending us down the right road” is contributing. I also continue to comment on AR posts, but apparently the AR founders don’t think that counts as “contributing”. This strikes me as odd because AR awards “points” for comments, as well as posts. In blogging classes I teach, I regularly promote AR as a great network, with a caring and helpful membership. I’ve seen dozens, if not hundreds of people scribble down “activerain.com” when I speak and teach.

But today my account was downgraded because I no longer “contribute” to the network.

Well, since my contributions are no longer needed, welcomed or appreciated, it seemed the only prudent thing to do was to remove the content I wrote that, at least in my mind, contributed to the network.

Selfish? Sour grapes? I’m sure some will think so. The bottom line is ActiveRain doesn’t need me. And it certainly feels like they don’t believe I contribute any more. You should read some of the comments on the grandfather removal post and see what many current AR members feel — there’s a whole lot of agreement about us “non-contributors”…

That’s OK. It’s their network, it’s their servers, and it’s their rules. They are free to change their rules and policies however they see fit. All that does is reinforce what I have said for a long time – you need to have complete control over your content. Put your content on someone else’s network, and you are at risk of the rules being changed.

So tonight I simply chose to take back my content. It has all been exported and saved (sadly, hundreds of comments are gone as AR provides no way to export comments). I may repurpose some of it. Who knows.

I know some will disagree with my decision to delete my content from AR. And that’s OK. We all are individuals with unique needs, wants, desires and motivations. That is what makes the world interesting. I didn’t do this to “get back” at AR. Good grief, I am one of 186,000+ members and my 86 posts there are insignificant in the pool of one million plus. Me deleting my content will have absolutely zero affect on AR.

But it is my content, and I am free to do with it as I please.

So I did.

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I'm very late to this party, and late to engaging on AR. Joined fall of 2009 but decided to upgrade just this month - for $59. My husband pays $39, having coughed up the cash a few months earlier.

I am dismayed at how things have gone with AR, and not optimistic about the new ownership.

That being said, I really appreciate the expertise other RE pros contribute - if they're there, I'm there and when they're gone, I'm gone, even if it means losing google juice.

Makes me want to launch a next-gen service that actually plans for the size and scale that AR didn't anticipate.

and they even took our banner away!! i seriously suggest everyone back up their content before it's too late. Brad and others have given great suggestions as to how to go about it.

We have to agree with the majority of people here. We're no longer able to access our account either and they shut off our ability to turn posts from members only posts to public ones. We also noticed recently that some of our blog posts were deleted without notice. More shocking perhaps is their recent price increase to 89.99$ month. I just can't fathom anyone paying that for a minimum return on investment in comparison with other lead generating sites or those with higher traffic (trulia/zillow). Great blog and site jay. All the best-

BTW - there's a post I wrote to assist anyone with backing up their ActiveRain content, but I won't put a link here because I would never hijack your blog Jay. You can visit TheRainBlog dot com for the instructions. This will not include how to delete your ActiveRain content however. :-)

Jay's note: I've got no problem with you including a link that's pertinent to the discussion Brad! Click here for Brad's instructions backing up ActiveRain blog posts.

I meant what I said in that comment, and I miss that cowboy hat!! Hope all is going well Jay, your blog here is awesome and worthy of the awards received. Stay well my friend.

If anyone on this thread is looking for a way to migrate all their content on active rain to a WordPress.org install, let me know. We have a solution in the works.

Hello Jay,

I'm currently in a debate with myself regarding activerain. I just recently entered the blogsphere and have doubts if I will continue forward with activerain. My major concern is two-fold. First is control of my content versus being at the mercy of some organization's terms of use that can be changed at any given moment. A free site can go to a pay site and just as easily say all content submitted become their property. The second concern I have is time. I started my own blog with a wordpress install and I don't know if I really want to take the time to write two blogs. What I mean by that is I really don't want to cut-n-paste my wordpress blog articles over to activerain. Effectively I'd be writing unique content for two separate blogs; not necessarily an easy task. I have until the end of May to make my decision on activerain, then they will start charging me $59.00 a month ($708.00 annually). At that rate I could pay for some minor adverting of my website or go old school and do a mail campaign. Now this doesn't mean I'm against activerain as it's an awesome source of information for agents and consumers, but I'm leaning more towards committing my time, money, and energy towards a product I have total control over. Just my two cents as someone who has just seriously stepped into the blogsphere.

Something that used to be so powerful is now dead.... Talk about digging your own grave AR! I have always enjoyed your posts Jay and am glad you had such a positive outlook on all this. I have always found your content to be informative and interesting.

Keep up the good work.

Hi Jay,
Always the peacemaker, I have not read every comment here, but I will say this, I too joined AR early and I never seem to know of all these changes. Somehow my account is always free. I know Brad Anderson (not well) but I am friends with his wife, and I know Brad Stewart and Jon Washburn and his lovely girlfriend who's name I temporarily forget. They are very nice folks trying to make a living. If you were to directly contact them I think you would find they would be eager to make things right for you. Not that at this point you would. I just wanted to point out that I personally know these folks to have very good intentions, and they need to make some money too. They really try to help. NOw that can not be such a bad thing can it? Too bad they did not think out the diplomacy of the changes though. Life is a beach and then you die.

Mary -

I also know Brad (he's no longer at AR), Bob and his wife Christa, and Jon (who also left AR as of a day or two ago). We've all meet in person, and I consider them all friends. I think they consider me a friend as well.

And you're right, they are top-notch people. We've all had long discussions about this (note that it happened in July 2010) via email and in person.

The did re-instate my account after it was removed. Only to remove it again. And reinstate it again, and remove it again. I suspect it was a glitch, and last I looked it was re-re-re-instated.

But if it's not, it's simply not worth having to keep on asking. I don't post on AR any more, and hadn't for a couple of years when this first started.

I do strongly feel that I continue to support AR via reading, commenting, and evangelizing for AR. But it was apparently decided that for the purpose of keeping people grandfathered, the only thing that counted was posting.

And that's fine. It's their network, they are free to change the rules. Just as I am free to remove my content.

I've got no hard feelings toward AR. They made a business decision. I thought it was a bad decision and very poorly executed. I know for a fact some of the AR principals agree with me on that. Some may not. That's cool too.

Hi Jay! Wow, this was a solid hour read! LOL I knew that you removed all of your posts but, wasn't sure of the details. I cannot imagine that they'll keep alot of their membership, should they go to the $89/month. That's just too crazy but, one thing is for sure--I've learned SO much on AR and have made SO many friendships that I am ever so grateful for the time spent there. I've also gotten some great business from there and will always be thankful for the folks there (members and staff) who helped guide me into the 21st Century (social media, of course)!!

I believe that most of it is for spam control. They also have tags on all comments to help reduce this. Doesn’t always work because of the sheer size of the network though. Also, they want you to be logging into your AR account to comment.

I'm not a big fan of the Active Rain model at all. I went to an Active Rain event here in Portland last year that was marketed as a one day event for $39. Ok, I didn't read the fine print, but there shouldnt have been any. If the process was talked about at the event, it didnt stick with me, maybe I was in the Bathroom at the moment. I didn't hear anything at the Event that convinced me that paying to use their blog made since, and that I couldn't already do with Wordpress for free. What got past me was I was signed up, just by attending. It wasn't until 5-6 months later that I noticed they were billing me for $39 per month for something I didn't realize I bought and was not using. Look, Realtors need to be cautious. They are a target, a sales opportunity and many allow themselves to be sucked into expenses in an already expensive business to be in. Active Rain may make since but I'm simply not convinced. If I blog regularly in Wordpress, my rankings improve, I've seen those results. My biggest issue is I don't do it often enough.

For only $50 a month... post all of the blogs off my site you want... LOL!

Hi Jay
I too am one of the long time members who has been on AR for years-and have been reading along with interest as this discussion developed. I totally understand how you feel and have noticed that many of the bloggers I used to subscribe to have not posted in a long time. I think it was nice that AR did apologize but also understand why you feel the way you do. It certainly has changed a lot from the old days.

Jay - sorry, i keep forgetting to remove that jokey name thingie. I just removed it, so it'll be the last 'spammy' comment from me.

Holy crap... So the $89.00 is for realz? I thought it was a lousy joke.
Hi Lovely, Hi Slay.:-)

Oh and Jeremy - Miriam just got a brand new WordPress site that we think is pretty darn cool - cuz we built it.

$89 a month for new users ($59 a month if you call in) for an AR blog??.. lots of laughing..

Hi Jay & everyone - I noticed AR doesn't offer you the ability to leave a web site address when you make a comment - is this done on purpose? They don't want to "seed & water" anyone else's site but their own? Thanks for your input!

I couldn't say why AR doesn't allow you to leave a URL when you comment. Could be spam control, could be they want to keep people on the site, could be they just don't think it's necessary... only AR could say for sure.

I believe that most of it is for spam control. They also have tags on all comments to help reduce this. Doesn't always work because of the sheer size of the network though. Also, they want you to be logging into your AR account to comment. And when you do the login, it automatically links to your AR profile instead.

Hi Jay,
I just wanted to chime in and say HI! do you remember me from HV?
I'm pretty sure that you're the one who invited me to AR years ago.
I think this is all a bunch of BS on AR's part.
I hope you're doing well!
Jack

Hey Jack! Of course I remember you. Those were the days eh? I think I did invite you to AR long ago.

Things are great here, hope the same for you!

I'm still here to and thanks to Slaybaugh, I'm cold :)

The gift that keeps on giving. My heirs are going to inherit comment notifications to this thread. I am seriously considering having my head cryogenically frozen, a la Ted Williams, just so they can thaw me out in 5000 years to see if this mofo is still going.

A lot of the SEO tips you can learn from various "How to blog successfully" blogs on AR (or anywhere else) are applicable on Wordpress. Use longtail keyword rich titles, image tags, and links. Use keywords in your text. You can do it. I've had my WP blog outrank my AR blog many times. I keep AR but am not depending on it any more.

Thanks Karen. I put all that know how into my 1st WP blog that I published earlier today. When I published an AR blog it would appear in Google pretty quickly - sometimes 5 or 10 minutes but I finished the WP blog about 7 hours ago and I can't get it to appear on Google. I'm doing long tail searches that should absolutely work. Does it take WP longer to propogate? Thanks for the encouragement - I like AR but I'm determined to be independent. Jason

Jason- New sites don't index right away. It takes a few weeks for Google to start crawling it. If you just set up the blog today it isn't going to be found in Google. You could probably type in the actual domain to Google & still not find it.

Don't fret though, it will be found and it will bring you business. If you continue this path on WP before you know it, your WP site will outrank anything you ever did on AR.

Jason.. what Jeremy stated,,, but I wanted to add something, because I am not sure from reading your comment.. Are posting the exact same post that you did on your WP blog to AR? if I am not mistakened, Google will only index one of the same. You don't get penalized for it.. just not credit for 2 different sites.. not unless you change up the title of your post, the H1 tag (your first sentence), and some say about 20% of the begining of your post. If you do want to copy a post from one site and put it on AR... wait until you get the google alert, which will tell you that it has been indexed.. these are just some tips that I have picked up... thanks, jeff

Jason - You've gotten some good tips in all the comments above. What is the URL of your new WP blog? You used http://www.myahdigital.com/ when you posted your original comment, and that site IS indexed in Google, but it's not brand new (looks good too).

If you use the new blog's URL when you enter a comment, that link will be followed by Google from here. You'll also get a link at the bottom of your comment to your most recent post, like in Karen's and Jeremy's comments.

Jeremy, Jeff, Jay (the 3 "J's"): Thanks for the feedback I'm going to keep plugging. It was an original post, not an AR replicate. I used the WP Url for this comment. thanks again, Jason

Hi Jay - I'm concerned over AR's willingness to up their pricing that dramatically without notice. I've started learning Wordpress as a result and just posted my first blog. I can't find it on Google yet - any advice on this endeavor? I did benefit from the support at AR, I wonder if that's available with Wordpress. Much appreciated. Jason

Hey Jason-
A brand new blog won't appear instantly in Google, particularly if there are no links pointing at it from other domains. Now, the trick is if you get Jay to write a blog post about your blog with a link to it -- then it would get indexed fairly quickly :)

I wonder if this is a change in policy. The $89 looks like a package with an outside blog which i have never done. What I was grandfathered into was a single blog. I do my own Wordpress like a lot of bloggers so I never saw the value of an outside blog. I use Active Rain still because of the indexing, but honestly, my own blogs get indexed also. If you check ranking.com Active Rain is at 682 and localism.com is 14,828. Really 682 isn't bad with millions of web sites, but compared to other sites that attract real estate buyers and sellers not agents, there are better ways to reach them if you think that is important in the first place to use real estate portals versus free stuff like Google and Facebook.

I joined ActiveRain back in 2007 or so and never received an email about being grandfathered. When I questioned it, they couldn't find any of my accounts. I have been paying a monthly fee of $39 a month, which I think is a little high but worth it.

$89 - I would really have to think about that one long and hard. Today's market has hurt some agents and I think new agents to the site will have a hard time swallowing this one and will pass on becoming an upgraded member.

Here's the screen snip showing that AR is charging $89 for Rainmaker accounts.

Jay,

It looks like this post has all chances to be the most commented on in 2011 as well. :)

Jim- I sent Jay a screenshot. Maybe he can load onto his media with a link. To see it I had to create a fictitious acct and then try to upgrade to rainmaker status.

Where exactly did it come from that ActiveRain is now $59-89 per month? No one over there seems to know that..

Well I for one am excited about the $89 fee! That means NONE of my local competitors will be starting up an AR blog any time soon! Ha!
(and if my rainmaker status goes away, so will I...I'm set up on Wordpress too. :) )

*like (oh wait, I am not on Facebook!)

There's a LOT of agents that probably don't know any better or they think they can get referrals from AR..

I didn't know that AR had increased their monthly fee to $89.00 and I am sorry to hear that. I have persuaded a friend to blog and use AR as their training ground but $89.00 is going to be too steep for her to pay at this point in her career.

Miriam- why would anyone want to pay $89 when they could get an awesome site like Jay's & so many other WP sites out there for under $10/month blows my mind. I thought $39/month was pushing it for the features they offer, but $89/month is just completely ludicrous.

I have been a big supporter of Active Rain & routinely advise virtual assistant clients to include a paid membership in their repertoire. It is still an uphill battle to sell them on $39 a month. I am shocked & disappointed that just last week, the price went to $89.(It is $59 if you call in.) There was no advance notice, no explanation.

I really appreciate the help Active Rain staff have given me over the past couple years, but this is an outrageous increase. I know that AR does wonderful things to educate agents & consumers, but this is a very poor marketing strategy. It will really be hard sell to encourage clients to put out $89 (or even $50 when they are just getting into blogging. The fact that AR makes no attempt to make the case for this huge increase does not sit well. have searched the site & find no notice.

A side point - the price keeps going up & Active Rain still does not the post ability to control font size & color as even the cheapest software has. As AR staff has repeatedly says, "use Firefox" - but that is beside the point.

Jay,

I don't think I was reading your blog 20+ weeks ago, so this post is new to me. I could not agree more with the entire idea of working to develop your own Internet presence outside of AR, Realtor, Trulia, Zillow and all the rest. No matter how you slice it, these companies are all about making (or trying to) money. They are not altruistic - it is about them, not you. They want to control the Internet, don't forget that, and in doing so it has to come at someone's expense.

My "Rainmaker" account was removed because I hadn't posted within 90 days. All I had to do was call them and ask them to reinstate it, told them that I wanted to continue posting and they gladly did it. I do understand your point, but they still maintain a Ma' and Pa' shop mentality in that they will be flexible on their rules.

I'm thinking to delete my account as well. I am so very dissapointed with AR guys. They promised to keep my status and now it's also gone without a single warning. It just feels such poor business model to charge people who built their business. Very Very disappointed, I will not promote them any longer.

Good for you!!! It's ALWAYS better to be on your own than to be someone's "user-generated content."

100% agree! I never knew why people would contribute to AR if they have their own Blog anyway. I visit your site once or twice a month. AR....once or twice a year. Its post like this that keep me coming back. I like a little bit of an opinion from the author also rather than being unbiased. Keep em coming!
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