I love firefox and it is way ahead of IE in every way. It crashes very rarely and I like the customizations it can have.

**David´s last blog post..Dog clicker training</abbr></abbr>

As you can see, it's not hard to find others who dislike IE intensly as well. I've been using Chrome for the past 3-4 months and I actually like it more than Firefox now!

I actually am really bad and often make changes to my site without even looking at its appearance in IE and only on FF. I have been aught out a couple of times with my site appearing great in FF but getting complaints from IE users. Its a real pain. I havent used Chrome yet but would you advise me trying?

**Cottages in Devon´s last blog post..Treetops, Torquay</abbr></abbr>

That's why I use Chrome. I just wish my Firefox addons would work in Chrome though!

I am FireFox all the way!

**Jeff Buettner - Scottsdale Short Sale´s last blog post..The Bank’s Short Sale Negotiators</abbr></abbr>

I also have to admit that I absolutely hate IE. The only time I will use it is to check to see how one of my websites looks using it. Have been using Firefox for 2+ years know and never looked back.

**John´s last blog post..Baltimore Real Estate</abbr></abbr>

We had several issues with IE6 and IE in general. Anywhere from Java to RSS to just plain using # sign on a link. (long story, but it replicates window after window if you close a window and javascript is not finished loading). Some of the issues are resolved once you enable 3rd party cookies in advanced settings but factory default settings are always with that disabled. But checking our stat page shows that a majority of our site's viewers still use IE a chunk of them IE6 so, unfortunately for us, we have to deal with these issues specially if a 3rd party provider decides to upgrade. i.e., IDX

I'm glad to hear you got it fixed! I have to agree though, IE stinks. I use Firefox for that very reason.

**Margaret Safford´s last blog post..Metro Atlanta Selected to List of Best Cities</abbr></abbr>

I Couldn't agree more! As a real estate web designer I am hindered by IE almost every day. While there are many other browsers out there, and all react differently to websites, IE seems to be the odd-ball and it is always creating issues for every real estate website I design! Thanks for the post, I'm sure this will help more than a few frustrated website owners.

"According to statistics 95% of websurfers use Firefox these days!" Sorry HM, but I think your numbers are WAY off. Everything I've read says Firefox has around a 30% share or the browser market. This blog's stats also support that:

Previous 30 Days (Browser, Visitors, Percentage of Visitors):

1. Internet Explorer 28,746 61.95%

2. Firefox 14,957 32.23%

But, 30% is nothing to sneeze at. Sites that run on IE only are starting right off the bat annoying a third of their users. EVERY web designer/developer should take both IE and FF into consideration. That would be much simpler if they both behaved the same way.

@Russell - I suspect it was some sort of conflict, and probably just recently happened. But I could get it to repeat on the 5 PCs here at home, and all are set up differently. Easiest fix was to toss the corner flip thing.

I've never had any issues using your blog and I have IE6 and I'm addicted to Back button. Maybe there's a conflict between one of the plug ins you have installed and the user's local IE settings.

Please provide me with proof to these statistics if you would please. I'm going to send this proof to the MLSPIN tech support staff. All they've ever done is ignore me and give me this "Y0u're weird" look every time I brought Firefox up to their attention....

**Jim Gatos´s last blog post..Sneak Preview of the "New Look" of our office.</abbr></abbr>

Okay, I must admit... I am a secret IE lover... However, I am slowly making the transition to chrome.

One thing I did notice was though when using my iPhone to log into your site was your really cool WPtouch plugin. However, It doesn't allow me to view or type in the anti-spam # when posting a comment. Therefore, I was unable to comment from my iPhone in iPhone mode.

**Brendan´s last blog post..Government 2.0 - Obama’s First Weekly Address!</abbr></abbr>

Although IE does suck, you'd think the developer of that Page flip thingy would've done something to get that script to work in IE...
That's the problem..

If it doesn't work in IE, it aint 100% compatible. My MLS, MLSPIN, doesn't care about Firefox. If I want to print certain things in MLSPIN's interface, I HAVE TO USE IE AND THEY DON'T CARE! This is at least a 3 year issue with them. After numerous complaints, they have this basically "go away, you're bothering us", attitude...
**Jim Gatos´s last blog post..Sneak Preview of the "New Look" of our office.</abbr></abbr>

you fixed it uh? i didn't have problems with IE but i still think it's sucks and Mozilla is much better :P

As Loren knows all too well, I'm one of your site stalkers. You have all the cool ideas and all the cool toys Jay. I've had 'flip envy' for some time. Sad to see that it's gone but there is no question - IE sucks.

**Linsey´s last blog post..Time to Talk Absorbtion Rates</abbr></abbr>

Agreed, it sucks and firefox is great!

Aloha,

Keahi

Oh no, Jay, I miss the flip thingy, too! It was kinda cool. Oh well, IE misbehaves similarly on my site with Imageflow, and I haven't had the time to fix that, either. You know, so many of us use and swear by FF, but it seems all my peeps use IE, so you just kinda gotta...

Jay, seems to be working in IE7 now, also I have a macbook and it's also working correctly in Safari.

I occassionally have that problem. If I am doing a lot of backwards and forwards, I have had internet explorer crash. I just never thought about before reading this post. I try to use Firefox as often as I can.

I guess you figured out the fix? I'm on IE and it works fine for me....Susan

Yeup, no crashes now.

I am even typing this comment from IE7

wonder if there is a better way to implement the page flip

Great use of Photoshop! Agreed, IE is the worst especially for blogs. Sometimes it distorts whole websites, puts information that should be on the right sidebar all the way down at the bottom, I exclusively use Firefox and wish all my readers did too.

Huh. The honorable Loren Nason in comment #1 appears to have been spot on.

It seems it was the page flip thingy.

I had removed the call to the javascript and still had the issues. BUT, when I took the script itself out of the header, all seems well in IE land.

I'd appreciate it if anyone out there with IE could test a little for me, cycle through the back/forward buttons a couple of times and let me know if IE crashes!

THANKS LOREN!!

I still think IE sucks. And I'm gonna miss my corner page flip thingy...

Curious. Has to be a simple explanation. I'll see if someone I know can stop by & offer you a solution .....

Sadly, it's only going to get worse with the release of IE8. Then we'll have three versions of IE that all do things differently to deal with.

Not to mention the upcoming release of WP 2.7

Loren's right, it's not a Thesis issue as other blogs I have on Thesis run fine, as did this one at one point. I haven't changed the Thesis code, so it's got to be something I did with modification, or a hosted script did.

It's typical IE choking on something that other browsers handle perfectly well. In a perfect world, IE would just go away. Sadly, it's only going to get worse with the release of IE8. Then we'll have three versions of IE that all do things differently to deal with.

@Jim Gatos

NO way its the Thesis theme - i just tried 3 other sites running Thesis with IE7 and no issues!

**Loren Nason´s last blog post..How NOT to act on the Internet</abbr></abbr>

Jay, have you ever thought maybe it's the "Thesis" theme?

I mean, I tried your site on 3 different computers with IE7, all crashed when I pressed the "back" button. None had a problem with FF 3.1 Beta 1. This is a bizarre problem. Ask those "Thesis" guys, or better yet, change the theme temporarily to something simple..see what happens.

**Jim Gatos´s last blog post..Sneak Preview of the "New Look" of our office.</abbr></abbr>

Hmmm..

I use Firefox exclusively.. so when I opened up IE7 ( on Win Vista Home Premium), I was stunned to see IE crashing when I loaded your blog and then used the back button.

I know my solution wasn't a popular one in the eyes of a lot of bloggers, but this is just another example for me as to why I am glad I switched to the Typepad platform.. I can't deal with "snippets" here and "code" there..

**Jim Gatos´s last blog post..Sneak Preview of the "New Look" of our office.</abbr></abbr>

Safari 3.2 on my mac works ok.

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Jay,

Sure is bizarre. I didn't encounter this problem on your blog until just recently :(. I actually only encounter the error when I hit "back" and then go "forward" again.

Joe and I developed large applications for big companies for years with IE as the preferred browser because it was coder friendly :), so I can't say it sucks (not saying it doesn't have issues) but this sure is an odd one.

**Jamey Bridges´s last blog post..A recent conversation with a rep from realtor.com</abbr></abbr>

Yeup even on Vista with IE7 it crashes

first guess would be the page flip?

after that it's like all that fun we have to do to resolve a problem. Remove 1 piece at a time and test

**Loren Nason´s last blog post..How NOT to act on the Internet</abbr></abbr>

I love firefox and it is way ahead of IE in every way. It crashes very rarely and I like the customizations it can have.

**Davidu00c2u00b4s last blog post..Dog clicker training</abbr></abbr>

As you can see, it's not hard to find others who dislike IE intensly as well. I've been using Chrome for the past 3-4 months and I actually like it more than Firefox now!

I actually am really bad and often make changes to my site without even looking at its appearance in IE and only on FF. I have been aught out a couple of times with my site appearing great in FF but getting complaints from IE users. Its a real pain. I havent used Chrome yet but would you advise me trying?

**Cottages in Devonu00c2u00b4s last blog post..Treetops, Torquay</abbr></abbr>

Great use of Photoshop! Agreed, IE is the worst especially for blogs. Sometimes it distorts whole websites, puts information that should be on the right sidebar all the way down at the bottom, I exclusively use Firefox and wish all my readers did too.

That's why I use Chrome. I just wish my Firefox addons would work in Chrome though!

I am FireFox all the way!

**Jeff Buettner - Scottsdale Short Saleu00c2u00b4s last blog post..The Banku00e2u0080u0099s Short Sale Negotiators</abbr></abbr>

I also have to admit that I absolutely hate IE. The only time I will use it is to check to see how one of my websites looks using it. Have been using Firefox for 2+ years know and never looked back.

**Johnu00c2u00b4s last blog post..Baltimore Real Estate</abbr></abbr>

We had several issues with IE6 and IE in general. Anywhere from Java to RSS to just plain using # sign on a link. (long story, but it replicates window after window if you close a window and javascript is not finished loading). Some of the issues are resolved once you enable 3rd party cookies in advanced settings but factory default settings are always with that disabled. But checking our stat page shows that a majority of our site's viewers still use IE a chunk of them IE6 so, unfortunately for us, we have to deal with these issues specially if a 3rd party provider decides to upgrade. i.e., IDX

I'm glad to hear you got it fixed! I have to agree though, IE stinks. I use Firefox for that very reason.

**Margaret Saffordu00c2u00b4s last blog post..Metro Atlanta Selected to List of Best Cities</abbr></abbr>

I Couldn't agree more! As a real estate web designer I am hindered by IE almost every day. While there are many other browsers out there, and all react differently to websites, IE seems to be the odd-ball and it is always creating issues for every real estate website I design! Thanks for the post, I'm sure this will help more than a few frustrated website owners.

"According to statistics 95% of websurfers use Firefox these days!" Sorry HM, but I think your numbers are WAY off. Everything I've read says Firefox has around a 30% share or the browser market. This blog's stats also support that:

Previous 30 Days (Browser, Visitors, Percentage of Visitors):

1. Internet Explorer 28,746 61.95%

2. Firefox 14,957 32.23%

But, 30% is nothing to sneeze at. Sites that run on IE only are starting right off the bat annoying a third of their users. EVERY web designer/developer should take both IE and FF into consideration. That would be much simpler if they both behaved the same way.

@Russell - I suspect it was some sort of conflict, and probably just recently happened. But I could get it to repeat on the 5 PCs here at home, and all are set up differently. Easiest fix was to toss the corner flip thing.

I've never had any issues using your blog and I have IE6 and I'm addicted to Back button. Maybe there's a conflict between one of the plug ins you have installed and the user's local IE settings.

Please provide me with proof to these statistics if you would please. I'm going to send this proof to the MLSPIN tech support staff. All they've ever done is ignore me and give me this "Y0u're weird" look every time I brought Firefox up to their attention....

**Jim Gatosu00c2u00b4s last blog post..Sneak Preview of the "New Look" of our office.</abbr></abbr>

According to statistics 95% of websurfers use Firefox these days! As soon as the first version was launched we understood that IE is in the past! back then in 2006 i presume, i started getting problems with IE and dropped it for good without a second thought :)

Okay, I must admit... I am a secret IE lover... However, I am slowly making the transition to chrome.

One thing I did notice was though when using my iPhone to log into your site was your really cool WPtouch plugin. However, It doesn't allow me to view or type in the anti-spam # when posting a comment. Therefore, I was unable to comment from my iPhone in iPhone mode.

**Brendanu00c2u00b4s last blog post..Government 2.0 - Obamau00e2u0080u0099s First Weekly Address!</abbr></abbr>

Although IE does suck, you'd think the developer of that Page flip thingy would've done something to get that script to work in IE...
That's the problem..

If it doesn't work in IE, it aint 100% compatible. My MLS, MLSPIN, doesn't care about Firefox. If I want to print certain things in MLSPIN's interface, I HAVE TO USE IE AND THEY DON'T CARE! This is at least a 3 year issue with them. After numerous complaints, they have this basically "go away, you're bothering us", attitude...
**Jim Gatosu00c2u00b4s last blog post..Sneak Preview of the "New Look" of our office.</abbr></abbr>

you fixed it uh? i didn't have problems with IE but i still think it's sucks and Mozilla is much better :P